mandarinfanatic
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the initial advice i got to do this was from a friend. i dont know where you are getting info from or why you are being so agressive
What happens if u get crypto in dt even after quarintine?
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mandarinfanatic
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Show me research that metrodianzole does not get rid of crypto and i will look at it. Strange how seachem says it will work and it did. Gee maybe they are telling the truth
Allmost
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thats fine. and congrats.
see you in 3-5 weeks when ich returns stronger than before.
have a good weekend.
mandarinfanatic
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I must point out that if the fish are feeding and are taking in the medicated food it works or seems to be time will tell.
mandarinfanatic
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well i hope it doesnt but lets see how it goes.
thats fine. and congrats.
see you in 3-5 weeks when ich returns stronger than before.
have a good weekend.
Allmost
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if you had an infection and ate steak with advil on it, will the infection go away ?
answer is no, advil will not help with the infection.
anyways, it seems like you are not here to learn ... so why argue with others that have been doing this for over 20 years ?
enjoy your weekend and fish while its alive
mandarinfanatic
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You are most kind why argue with someone who has been doing this for 36 years.
Allmost
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lol
okay there
your first post shows your extensive experience with these animals 
mbingha
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lol
okay there
Lol love the passive aggressive response
Assuming what you quoted earlier was accurate, even Seachem states that 'It is sometimes effective against marine ich, but there are many strains of the disease and there is much variability in how susceptible each strain is to different medications. How effective it is will depend upon the health of your fish going into the treatment and what strain you are fighting'. I can speak from multiple, direct experience that different ich infestations behave differently. I have a mild one in my tank currently and I am able to manage it by keeping my fish healthy and well fed; but, I have had aggressive strains before and there is nothing to be done but remove all the fish and go fallow for 12 weeks.
Also, if you take the time to read the stickies on ich in the disease forum, you will see that overt symptoms come and go, and that fish can appear to be 'cured' only to have the spots return even worse a few days to a week later. In my tank, for example, my fish can be spot free for a few weeks, but then a couple of them show a few for a few days. I don't have an outbreak, but ich clearly persists in my tank.
Every reefer has their own pet theories about things - and those of us who have been doing it for a very long time are often the worse offenders. Take your friend's advice, follow the approach you have outlined, but do not be surprised if it proves ultimately to be ineffective. I personally have found medicated foods to not work. The only 100% effective approach is as has been noted by others - go fallow for 12 weeks and treat the fish in a HT either with copper, hypo, TT or CP.
degibson84
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This thread was a fun read. Thank you all for the laughs tonight.
I agree the seachem stuff is not going to cure ich. My step father had 1st hand experience with it. Bought a naso and the fish had ich. Tried the seachem stuff with the food and still the ich spread to all the fish and he lost all of them.
I agree the seachem stuff is not going to cure ich. My step father had 1st hand experience with it. Bought a naso and the fish had ich. Tried the seachem stuff with the food and still the ich spread to all the fish and he lost all of them.
Look up the pharmacology on Metrondiazole, aka Flagyl. It's primarily effective against anaerobic bacteria and protozoans, not aerobic. With Cryptocaryon being an aerobic protozoan, there is little reason to think Metrondiazole would be a particularly effective treatment. There have been several companies that marked Metrondiazole and related antibiotics as cures for ich/Crypt, none have had success rates much better than simply feeding well and keeping water quality good.
mandarinfanatic
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that is a point to consider! because although i am feeding meds the fish are all eating well and water conditions are good.
mandarinfanatic
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Trying to find research on this is hectic. I find some info where it says metrondiazole treats anaerobic bacteria and some protozoa incl crypto. Others where it does not. I wish there was documented research by others than manufacturers
mandarinfanatic
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http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/aquarium_ich.html seems to be the best article and covers all bases. It says metro is effective in mild infedtations but not heavy infestations.the guy has a lot of products analysed
vette.tech
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Is this a troll post? I mean some of the most knowledgable and experienced guys on the forum posted in this thread yet you persist, did you read the stickies on ich yet I bet not
This.
While some of his info is good, he also as a number of "myths" such as stating FW dips are effective for Crypto. When it comes "treatments" that claimed "effective in mild infestations but not heavy infestations.", one needs to wonder if something else was the reason for apparent success. As for his "produce analysis, it's all from the manufacturers...
Crypt and treatments are actually very well scientifically studied due to it's importance to aquaculture. For fish diseases and treatments, the best single source of information is Dr. Noga's "Fish Disease: Diagnosis and Treatment". Lots of excellent information on fish disease, treatment, and an excellent Pharmacopeia section. Also it's complete with proper citations and references that can be looked up by anyone wanted to delve into something deeper. While it's a bit pricey, it's a great book for anyone serious about disease treatment, and IMO a must have for the professional fish keeper.
