What happens if u get crypto in dt even after quarintine?

[mandarinfanatic]

I had my importer quarintine my fish for a month in his coral holding tanks. He got all the fish eating mysis which i believe was my saving grace. After i acclimatised and introduced the two yellow tangs , potters,flame and royal gramma. Spots started appearing. I started the following treatment and the spots were playing musical chairs on the fish. With one or two fish at a time having spots and the spots would dissappear for a day or half a day and appear on other fish! It was as frustrating as anything! I got a recommendation from a friend which seems to be working at the moment but i dont want to assume all crypto is gone after three weeks of treatment although all spots have been gone for a week already.TREATMENT; longer lighting period as less chance of infe tion while fish is awake and moving. Feed fish five times a day if possible for first week. Three times a day after that.Basic idea: drained defrosted frozen mysis soaked iN Seachem metroNIDAZOLE?..... plus seachem focus ,plus seachem kannaplex,seachem vitality and unchopped cloves of garlic to flavour the mix. I MARINATED the mysis(whole pack) in this mix for an hour before i started using it!. I didnt refreeze it i just kept it in the fridge( hoping it increased in strength as mix lasted a week before new batch made) Why am i discussing this? What happens if you do all the preventatives and still have spots appear on fish in dt?ps the garlic doesnt get fed to the fish. I hope the spots will stay away but i will still treat until this weeks food mix finished.

 

[ca1ore]

Fish importers, wholesalers, or LFS are not equipped to properly quarrantine fish - as you have discovered. Although I do believe ich can be managed with a healthy fish population, this requires a rather practiced hand - and the parasite is then never gone so introducing any new fish is a risk.

 

[mandarinfanatic]

Fish importers, wholesalers, or LFS are not equipped to properly quarrantine fish - as you have discovered. Although I do believe ich can be managed with a healthy fish population, this requires a rather practiced hand - and the parasite is then never gone so introducing any new fish is a risk.

proper quarintine is separate everything per fish for three month period isnt it? i am just thankful at this stage that i seem to have it under control at the moment

 

[ca1ore]

proper quarintine is separate everything per fish for three month period isnt it? i am just thankful at this stage that i seem to have it under control at the moment

Proper QT is to isolate fish in a comfortable environment and ensure no cross contamination whatsoever for at least 6 weeks, with 12 being better. No mass facility is able to reliably do this, nor would I trust them to.

 

[mbingha]

Another vital point of qt is to observe and treat fish. Aside from the constant addition of coral etc in that tank, it is impossible to treat and impractical for them to observe.

 

[mbingha]

By the way, you aren't treating your fish by altering their diet. They may be healthier with the added nutrition, and this do not show symptoms, but I assure you, they still have ich. On another note, garlic is actually bad for fish long term as it is bad for the liver.

 

[mandarinfanatic]

By the way, you aren't treating your fish by altering their diet. They may be healthier with the added nutrition, and this do not show symptoms, but I assure you, they still have ich. On another note, garlic is actually bad for fish long term as it is bad for the liver.

treating with medicated food containing seachem metrodianazole(sic).kannaplex and focus over a period of four weeks you kill the crypto. Soak food. Mysis in my case with large split cloves of garlic and vitamins and the three meds mentioned above. Garlic gives flavour but not side effect to hide bitterness of meds.

 

[mandarinfanatic]

Ps the seachem stuff is genuine medication not conditioning food.

 

[Allmost]

treating with medicated food containing seachem metrodianazole(sic).kannaplex and focus over a period of four weeks you kill the crypto. Soak food. Mysis in my case with large split cloves of garlic and vitamins and the three meds mentioned above. Garlic gives flavour but not side effect to hide bitterness of meds.

this is very very bad advice.

metro is for internal worms.

kannaplex is for bacteria infections and fin rot.

focus is also for internal parasites.

none of the above will do a thing for ich/crypto.

Garlic is also bad for the fish.

to treat Crypto, you can use TT, Copper, hypo salinity.

 

[mandarinfanatic]

this is very very bad advice.

metro is for internal worms.

kannaplex is for bacteria infections and fin rot.

focus is also for internal parasites.

none of the above will do a thing for ich/crypto.

Garlic is also bad for the fish.

to treat Crypto, you can use TT, Copper, hypo salinity.

Metronidazole

Product Description

Metronidazoleâ„¢ is an effective and safe treatment for several protozoan and anaerobic bacterial diseases of fish (Cryptocaryon, Hexamita, Ichthyophthirius). It does not adversely affect the filter bed and is easily removed with carbon. There is little danger of overdosing. Usual dose is 125 mg/10 gallons.

Sizes: 5 g, 100 g

this from seachem homepage says you are wrong.

 

[mandarinfanatic]

If you read further on their web page they tell you how to administer it via food

 

[mbingha]

Guess since you know everything, you can answer your own question

 

[zeebies]

Keep it simple. Leave your DT fallow for 10-12 weeks and treat all fish with Tank Transfer. It works. No guessing, no sleepless nights, no chemicals.

Always do your own quarantining.

You can't "hope" ich away.

Good luck.

 

[mandarinfanatic]

From seachem website:

Re: Seachem's Metronidazole, Focus & Garlic Guard used to treat Marine Ich?



Mixing Metronidazole, Focus, and Garlic Guard together with food is a good way to get medication to fish in a system where you can't dose the medication directly into the water. It is sometimes effective against marine ich, but there are many strains of the disease and there is much variability in how susceptible each strain is to different medications. How effective it is will depend upon the health of your fish going into the treatment and what strain you are fighting.

To prepare the food, take about 1 tablespoon of food, either thawed frozen food or dry food, and add one scoop of Metronidazole and 1-2 scoops of Focus, then add enough Garlic Guard to moisten the food and mix well. Feed as much as your fish will consume in a few minutes. I would avoid directly feeding any corals or inverts to be safe, but normally most reef inhabitants don't suffer from exposure to Metronidazole. Because the food is getting to the fish via their food, you don't need to change any thing with your filtration.

Ideally, when treating ich you would keep the treatment going long enough to kill off all of the life stages (3-6 weeks), but this only works when dosing the system. Since this treatment only helps kill the parasites which have attached to the fish, treatment should last until the fish quit displaying symptoms (white spots, labored breathing, flashing, etc.).

 

[Allmost]

first rule of reef keeping, is to question and not trust anything u read [including mine]

metro, will not have any effect on ICH.

in this hobby, we see even copper based medications advertising to be reef safe. yet we have thread on here weekly with ppl dosing it and killing all their corals.
alot of magic portions as well, claiming to fix all Issues.

with that said, metro is a great med for de-worming fishes. I use it on every fish I get.

Prazi pro for external parasites.

there is a product that API makes, called general cure, which is a mix of metro and PP.

please do more research on this, and it will be evident to you that metro will not deal with ich. TT, cupramine, hypo.

 

[mandarinfanatic]

Guess since you know everything, you can answer your own question

please make sure of your facts. you were giving wrong advice. i was looking for other options.

 

[mandarinfanatic]

Keep it simple. Leave your DT fallow for 10-12 weeks and treat all fish with Tank Transfer. It works. No guessing, no sleepless nights, no chemicals.

Always do your own quarantining.

You can't "hope" ich away.

Good luck.

thanks for advice

 

[mbingha]

What do you know... A company that wants to sell you their products... If they say their product works, well I guess it has to... By the way, I have some great swamp land in Florida if your interested.

 

[Allmost]

Mandarin ...

please read this with regards to use of garlic.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2352039&highlight=garlic

there are alot of "anecdotal" info in this hobby about ich.
if you search on here, you see many ppl claiming that "garlic" or "ginger" or "magic potion" killed off ICH, every time it showed up

the point is, if the ich was gone, it wont show up again

if you read the sticky about life cycle of ich, it wil explain their observations ... as ich will leave the fish, fall on sand bed, multiply and come back .... thats its life cycle and how it reproduces and transmitted.

you should check the sticky threads on fish disease forum for sure. alot of good info.

 

[mbingha]

please make sure of your facts. you were giving wrong advice. i was looking for other options.

Really? I think you will find that you are the one with wrong advice. Cold hard fact: the only proven methods of irradiating ich to date are TT, copper, or hypo.