xdusty6920
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btw, i cant believe no one mentioned the rbta as a fad "coral lol". those things were like the holey grail for a while. then they started splitting, and then split some more. now days, they are easy to find for cheap lol.
What is a Tyree coral?
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Al G Blenny
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Actually you mentioned the wholesalers. You just call them importers. For some reason you refuse to address the fact that there is no middle man between exporters and the wholesalers here.
Your previous posts don't make sense because it seems all you want to do is show that you know more about the industry but you refuse to admit that you are wrong about certain things. Is this a contest or something? That's great that you think you know something about coral and livestock importing but don't go around telling others that you know more than them if you aren't sure. Where do you get this "extensive" background on shipping livestock?
I guess I should have mentioned that I have worked for a couple of wholesalers. The last shipment I helped put away (I still help out at one when they are short handed) had 200 boxes. That was just the corals. There was live rock also. You think that is a big shipment? So if there are so many of these LEs coming in where do they go? If you have to know a serious "importer" to see them what happens after they get here? Do they go back to Asia? Germany? Boy that would seem funny to ship here and then ship the best stuff back. Lets see pics of your tank and see how many wild colonies of LEs you have if they are so common and you have such great access to them.
You are right that we ship to other parts of the Americas but those countries get OUR leftovers. The grass is always greener right? Did you ever see all of the Ausie reefers posting pics of all of the lords they had when we couldn't get them? That wasn't because they got first pic. Lords were just more common there. Finally the stores, wholesalers, exporters and then collecters saw that there was a market here in the US for them so they started shipping them here. Simple as that.
Now that's just rude. You say you aren't the one trying to argue but you are the one calling me narrow minded. Very childish.
Vili_Shark
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Whatever you say my friend, go on and spend you money, enjoy.
Al G Blenny
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Still refusing to admit you are wrong. I'll ask again. Got any pics of your LE riddled aquarium?
NorthernCF
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For those of you bashing closet, I don't belive you read his post clearly. He specifically states that not using gas would crumble modern society.
So, assuming you like your life and society the way it is, you need gas.
It is a closet philosopher's post, don't try to argue against it with common sense, LOL.
So, assuming you like your life and society the way it is, you need gas.
It is a closet philosopher's post, don't try to argue against it with common sense, LOL.
mummra100769
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funny we should start a fuel thread somewhere else. as far LE it is a free market and even though i disagree every one has the right to charge and pay what ever they want so have at it.
if you go 10 minutes w/out air...you die.
if you go w/out water for a few days...you die.
if you go w/out food for a few weeks...you die.
if you go w/out shelter for an extended amount of time...you die.
if you go w/out fuel...you...walk!
it's silly to think we could ever give up our cars (me included)...but need is a very strong word that should be replaced by a great desire? a big want? something i do not think i can live with out? not need. i want my car also and would always prefer to walk but never do i want to admit i need fuel.
if you go 10 minutes w/out air...you die.
if you go w/out water for a few days...you die.
if you go w/out food for a few weeks...you die.
if you go w/out shelter for an extended amount of time...you die.
if you go w/out fuel...you...walk!
it's silly to think we could ever give up our cars (me included)...but need is a very strong word that should be replaced by a great desire? a big want? something i do not think i can live with out? not need. i want my car also and would always prefer to walk but never do i want to admit i need fuel.
neyugn0w01
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In "our" society fuel is NEEDED. That is the bottom line. Take it for what you want but it is as simple as that. LE corals are NOT NEEDED as stated in my original post.
I am in the same boat as Al G Benny and would like to see your LE 6" watermelon chalice mummra.
I am in the same boat as Al G Benny and would like to see your LE 6" watermelon chalice mummra.
Jacob D
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Some of the Tyree stuff is pretty nice. A lot of it is 'outdated' (IMHO) to be still calling it 'LE'. I don't have a problem with any of it. The original owner of the coral is getting a lot of advertising for frags that he can now sell at a higher price because they have been put into a national market (via Reef Farmers) and Reef Farmers makes their money on it from those willing to pay.
I think it's also fair to mention that most (if not all) of the current LE's are at least 2nd generation captive corals. When you buy wild corals you never know how it will turn out, sometimes even better than it looked when it came in, sometimes not. Essentially the original owner has taken that variable out of the equation, you know that your coral will look similar under similar captive conditions.
I have purchased one or two LE's in the past, I don't think I have any now (if I do they came from friends, or I owned them before they were 'LE'). I doubt I'll purchase any in the future, mainly because I'm in the middle of California and there is good stuff all over the place out here!
(sorry all you land-locked suckas ). Most of my nicest stuff has been free, or nearly free from good friends - but not everyone has that luxury.
I think it's also fair to mention that most (if not all) of the current LE's are at least 2nd generation captive corals. When you buy wild corals you never know how it will turn out, sometimes even better than it looked when it came in, sometimes not. Essentially the original owner has taken that variable out of the equation, you know that your coral will look similar under similar captive conditions.
I have purchased one or two LE's in the past, I don't think I have any now (if I do they came from friends, or I owned them before they were 'LE'). I doubt I'll purchase any in the future, mainly because I'm in the middle of California and there is good stuff all over the place out here!
(sorry all you land-locked suckas ). Most of my nicest stuff has been free, or nearly free from good friends - but not everyone has that luxury.
RandyO
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How do you get your water? Do you get it out of a river? Nope. You have to buy it.
How do you get your food? Do you hunt it or grow it? Nope.
You have to buy it.
How do you have a shelter? Did you build it on free land? Nope.
You have rent or a mortgage.
Where do you get the money to pay for these NEEDS?
With another NEED. GAS.
You my friend my not want to admit it, but you need fuel.
Unless you live with the Amish, or in the wilderness somewhere, you need fuel to survive in this age.
Comparing a need for fuel and a need for corals are comparing Apples to Oranges.
If you didn't NEED fuel, you sure wouldn't have a reef tank. They can't be compared.
You can need Fuel, but not need a coral.
Corals are wants.
For all the people that have the means to read this forum, we need fuel.
That is probably the most sensible statement made on this whole ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œneedââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ for fuel argument this thread. Makes you wonder how all those people live with out a car. Believe me if fuel was gone tomorrow we would survive still. You may not enjoy the new life, but you could still live.
I know a lot of people are going to be upset by me saying this but Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m in a way kind of glad that gas prices are going as high as they are. Not that I enjoy paying $40 every week to fill up my tank, but in the sense of ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œnecessity is the mother of inventionââ"šÂ¬Ã‚Â. I think long term that the stress caused by the high fuel prices will drive some to come up with new ways of thinking about things.
DonavonsReef
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Yeah your right i guess I'll tell my 70 year old grandmother to walk to the store to get her grocerys & medication & lug 80 pound worth of grocerys on the back of a bike. Like I said earlier Hurricane season will be hear next month I live in Coral Springs Fl. come on down. Don't speak about what you don't know!
DonavonsReef
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This is a hypothetical topic but to alot of people in Florida & Lousiana it's not.
Amen...RandyO! Just really think about it....our economy would shut down with out fuel! No more imports/exports, hundreds of thousand of jobs lost,no way to defend our country or give aid to other countries,no more food brought to you. We no longer live in a world where we have the choice to do without. yes some would survive, but alot would not!
Al G Blenny
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Of course. I should have clarified that ours are coming from Indo. Even the "Japanese" illegal ones aren't really collected from Japan. They are just the better ones that are smuggled out of Japan. More than likely they are still Indo.
mummra100769
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ok i will now admit that i am 74% amish and have to pray for 18 hrs. every time i use this computer to answer this thread. please forgive me.lol
please no one get mad at the need fuel debate. it was used as a worst case scenerio and let me state again i drive all over the place (sometimes just to visit my dogs in the back yard). i am in no way an eco nut and i am fully aware of how fuel drives our world economy...it's just funny to look at the very stripped down definition of a need and see what few items fit into that definition. i would like to also add that i would feel very bad if any of my posts made any 70 year old grandmas have to lug 80lbs. of any thing any where. if need be i will come pick them up.lol
as far as LE corals both sides are right. they are way to pricey and if you got spend it. what ever makes you happy.
please no one get mad at the need fuel debate. it was used as a worst case scenerio and let me state again i drive all over the place (sometimes just to visit my dogs in the back yard). i am in no way an eco nut and i am fully aware of how fuel drives our world economy...it's just funny to look at the very stripped down definition of a need and see what few items fit into that definition. i would like to also add that i would feel very bad if any of my posts made any 70 year old grandmas have to lug 80lbs. of any thing any where. if need be i will come pick them up.lol
as far as LE corals both sides are right. they are way to pricey and if you got spend it. what ever makes you happy.
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