neyugn0w01
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Base on what skinny said, I believe those are his photos or some one he knows and not yours. That was the main reason why you pulled the pictures.
It seems as though you are confuse and very contradictive on your statements.
What is a Tyree coral?
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Base on what skinny said, I believe those are his photos or some one he knows and not yours. That was the main reason why you pulled the pictures.
It seems as though you are confuse and very contradictive on your statements.
mummra100769
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mothra: we agree then. 
my logic is based on feelings and we all know how off we can be when our feelings are included on a decision.
neyugn0w01: dude keep on cause you are not going to make me mad. this is just internet stuff. i thought i made it clear that the pics were not mine from the beginning....checking....i did even in the first post i said that. then i even went further to say that i did not have permission to post these pics and it was wrong. i again apologize to the owner and meant no harm....just excited....thats why i deleted them.
i like your pics on ebay for the acan auction. very correct color balance....good job.
my logic is based on feelings and we all know how off we can be when our feelings are included on a decision.neyugn0w01: dude keep on cause you are not going to make me mad. this is just internet stuff. i thought i made it clear that the pics were not mine from the beginning....checking....i did even in the first post i said that. then i even went further to say that i did not have permission to post these pics and it was wrong. i again apologize to the owner and meant no harm....just excited....thats why i deleted them.
i like your pics on ebay for the acan auction. very correct color balance....good job.
RichConley
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Thats what happens...
The problem, is I've seen Tyree, or more often some of his fanboys, all over that hobbiest trying to discredit him. He'll get a frag from HobbiestX, and then as soon as his is grown out, start saying "HobbiestX's coral isnt the same as mine. Mine has bluer tips, his is an imitator." The Tyree fanboys will then step in and back him up.
Its dishonest, and it fosters ill will.
mummra100769
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i see a whole new industry spinging up around this comment.lol
Jacob D
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Rich,
I'm really don't have any comment on that cause I don't have any experience with that. Some, if not most of the corals on RF website do state where they came from, but the whole 'LE' scene (whether Tyree or whoever's) is kind of another group of people, so it wouldn't surprise me to hear accusations going both ways.
I'm really don't have any comment on that cause I don't have any experience with that. Some, if not most of the corals on RF website do state where they came from, but the whole 'LE' scene (whether Tyree or whoever's) is kind of another group of people, so it wouldn't surprise me to hear accusations going both ways.
I've heard that Steve Tyree and Frank ? are no longer working together...can anyone confirm that?
I personaly have never seen Steve try and pull anything like that. However I have heard so many time on these board "if you can't trace the lineage back to XYZ, then it's not an LE...even though they can't tell the difference.
For example I'm pretty sure that this superman monti is not the original, but really not much difference (that I can tell since I've never seen another under T-5). But I got it for a great price (thanks Tim and Rich), and it's a second or third generation frag, so really if I were to sell frags I wouln't feel bad at chargeing the LE prices.
Sry so much blue, but where I have it tucked in the tank the 11K's don't hit it much.
I personaly have never seen Steve try and pull anything like that. However I have heard so many time on these board "if you can't trace the lineage back to XYZ, then it's not an LE...even though they can't tell the difference.
For example I'm pretty sure that this superman monti is not the original, but really not much difference (that I can tell since I've never seen another under T-5). But I got it for a great price (thanks Tim and Rich), and it's a second or third generation frag, so really if I were to sell frags I wouln't feel bad at chargeing the LE prices.
Sry so much blue, but where I have it tucked in the tank the 11K's don't hit it much.
Vili_Shark
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Sorry I have not been here for few days.
Al G Blenny, allow me not to comment in details on your funny last post with quotes of my post, I will leave you with the illusion that you know everything.
With over 100 dives a year in the tropics visiting coral and fish exporters and stations, plus visiting wholsellers in Asia , Germany and America, I'm so sorry to admit, you are right Al G, Tyree is the only way to get LE....the others just dont call them that....
Please my friend, let us not continue this argument, cause I feel you really feel you are right, I think in a few years you will gain more knowledge, maybe take a trip out of the US, see more learn more, and then maybe admit that you were wrong.
Ciao...
Al G Blenny, allow me not to comment in details on your funny last post with quotes of my post, I will leave you with the illusion that you know everything.
With over 100 dives a year in the tropics visiting coral and fish exporters and stations, plus visiting wholsellers in Asia , Germany and America, I'm so sorry to admit, you are right Al G, Tyree is the only way to get LE....the others just dont call them that....
Please my friend, let us not continue this argument, cause I feel you really feel you are right, I think in a few years you will gain more knowledge, maybe take a trip out of the US, see more learn more, and then maybe admit that you were wrong.
Ciao...
djmuzzi
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This might get me flammed but, I see some wild corals like his in LFS here in socal. Unfortunately they come from *****-shippers that send 2 hundred other pieces that are drab& Saddly with many dendros & other corals that "joe reefer" cannot care for (no offense if there is a username "joereffer" here). These drab corals tend to be liquidated or die from being in the store / wholesalers for too long.
Long story short, What is the true cost comparison? Someone like Tyree or Jen or whomever that does have a rare colony that is being farmed and sold at a premium, but that will soon be a seed for the essential new aquaculture movement and will soon be creating new captive colonies all over the world?
We are not talking about them buying 1 piece & selling the same piece for a large profit, we are talking about them farming a piece. That is a lot of overhead that they need to recoup. If no one did try to go after this market I doubt we would ever see these colors in the wild again after about 10 years.
I hope soon there will be enough aquacultre infrastructure to support LFS demands & give them a comparable or even better alternative to wild caught
Long story short, What is the true cost comparison? Someone like Tyree or Jen or whomever that does have a rare colony that is being farmed and sold at a premium, but that will soon be a seed for the essential new aquaculture movement and will soon be creating new captive colonies all over the world?
We are not talking about them buying 1 piece & selling the same piece for a large profit, we are talking about them farming a piece. That is a lot of overhead that they need to recoup. If no one did try to go after this market I doubt we would ever see these colors in the wild again after about 10 years.
I hope soon there will be enough aquacultre infrastructure to support LFS demands & give them a comparable or even better alternative to wild caught
Al G Blenny
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Representative Republic actually
RichConley
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Since when? They definitely sell pieces at a ridiculous profit.
Tryree came to a recent club meeting as a speaker. He auctioned off a whole bunch of pieces that have multiyear waiting lists. He also sold 10-15 frags each of a couple of corals that have multi-year waiting lists.
I have a hard time believing that the "waiting lists" and "limited harvesting" are anythign more than a gimmick.
mummra100769
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i myself would be mad to hear that some one was able to secure a frag that i have been waiting years for. that in itself seems a little dirty...to sell rare LE frags before your online waiting list gets a chance?
Al G Blenny
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I don't think you understood what he was saying. Tyree isn't breaking up a wild colony that he bought for $50 and selling frags for $100. He is growing out frags that he got from other hobbiests. That takes a lot of time, money, and patience. Some of them can't be farmed every month so he has to go to the original farmer and pay or trade for more frags. Some of the frags he sells are not for profit. When he has to buy them just to turn around and sell them at the same price. Trust me. I know he does this sometimes.
When one of his customers cancels a reservation he gives everyone the full oportunity to buy it early. On his site you can see the canceled reservations. If you keep up with it you might get a reservation coral years earlier than you planned. What is he supposed to do if nobody askes for that coral? Plus if you were on his LE list you would know that he Emails his customers sometimes to let them know when he has a bunch of extra LEs to sell. He is only selling overgrowth or cancelations. He isn't hiding it from anyone. Why do you use harsh words like "dirty" when again you don't know what you are talking about. The online waiting list people are the ones that know about this before you. Next time please research before you type. You are just trying to give someone a bad name at this point. I personally think this is in very poor taste. It almost sounds like you are jealous. I guess it's always that way when you are at the top. You get lots of people bashing you for no reason. The term "hater" comes to mind.
mummra100769
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well i know for a fact that when frank would be coming into town with steve the email i recieved had phrases like "we will have LE frags for sale. you don't have to wait years on a waiting list...you can get them now...order soon." seems pretty clear that LE frags are going up for sale before the poor waiting list people get a chance.
also if you would read my post i said i "would" be mad "if" some one got a frag i had been waiting for. i am sorry i did not make that clear.
as far as being a hater...not really...but you better be up front about your business activities or else you will get caught on these boards. plus my LFS has these items come in all the time and they sell whole colonies for what a frag of LE goes for, so hater? naw i'm good because i like colonies not frags.
i wonder how much that micro in my avatar would go for if it was an LE?lol
also if you would read my post i said i "would" be mad "if" some one got a frag i had been waiting for. i am sorry i did not make that clear.
as far as being a hater...not really...but you better be up front about your business activities or else you will get caught on these boards. plus my LFS has these items come in all the time and they sell whole colonies for what a frag of LE goes for, so hater? naw i'm good because i like colonies not frags.
i wonder how much that micro in my avatar would go for if it was an LE?lol
Al G Blenny
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More mis-information. That was Frank sending out the lists of LE frags. Not Tyree. Tyree went on the road trips with Frank but they weren't business partners. Those were corals that Frank was selling. In fact you notice that Frank still does the road trips and sells the same corals but Tyree doesn't go?
I never assumed you "were mad". I read the "I would be" part. What makes you think I didn't understand that?
I'm not sure what you mean about being up front about business activities. I could be way off base but if you are talking about one or both of the business' I own all of the Mods already know. I told them right when I started my last business. Why would you think I am shady like that? Again if I understood that the wrong way I apologize.
I think we went over the whole LFS getting in LEs topic. If you think that then you don't know your corals that well.
Your avatar? I'm glad you are proud of it but there is a reason it isn't an LE. I just gave away two Micro colonies like that at the bay area farmers market. They aren't really rare. Is that your example of LE corals that come in all the time? Why don't you look at the two LE Micros that Tyree sells. Show me a pic of those ones in your tank. I am still waiting on a pic of you LE riddled aquarium. A full tank shot will be nice.
I never assumed you "were mad". I read the "I would be" part. What makes you think I didn't understand that?
I'm not sure what you mean about being up front about business activities. I could be way off base but if you are talking about one or both of the business' I own all of the Mods already know. I told them right when I started my last business. Why would you think I am shady like that? Again if I understood that the wrong way I apologize.
I think we went over the whole LFS getting in LEs topic. If you think that then you don't know your corals that well.
Your avatar? I'm glad you are proud of it but there is a reason it isn't an LE. I just gave away two Micro colonies like that at the bay area farmers market. They aren't really rare. Is that your example of LE corals that come in all the time? Why don't you look at the two LE Micros that Tyree sells. Show me a pic of those ones in your tank. I am still waiting on a pic of you LE riddled aquarium. A full tank shot will be nice.
Al G Blenny
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Another thing that is funny is that you even got the LE list. Frank doesn't just solicite people with his list. You have to ask to be sent the list. If you hate LE corals so much why did you bother?
NorthernCF
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He sells one a month on line, and sells to clubs and such though out the year.
I am still looking for the conflict of interest here. Perhaps selling to the clubs is is joy and priority. I have not re-scrutinized the site. Is there indeed a place where Tyree says he only sells product through the INTERNET site? Please quote and post if it does, that would be worthy information.
It has been said before: If you live on the coast or one of the great cities, you can not understand the demand for nice looking corals. Everything is Cherry picked, and even raisin picked before it gets out to most of our LFS. We are lucky to find a dried prun...Am I letting this metaphor get out of hand?
I am still looking for the conflict of interest here. Perhaps selling to the clubs is is joy and priority. I have not re-scrutinized the site. Is there indeed a place where Tyree says he only sells product through the INTERNET site? Please quote and post if it does, that would be worthy information.
It has been said before: If you live on the coast or one of the great cities, you can not understand the demand for nice looking corals. Everything is Cherry picked, and even raisin picked before it gets out to most of our LFS. We are lucky to find a dried prun...Am I letting this metaphor get out of hand?
mummra100769
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7714744#post7714744 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Al G Blenny
More mis-information. That was Frank sending out the lists of LE frags. Not Tyree. Tyree went on the road trips with Frank but they weren't business partners. Those were corals that Frank was selling. In fact you notice that Frank still does the road trips and sells the same corals but Tyree doesn't go?
I never assumed you "were mad". I read the "I would be" part. What makes you think I didn't understand that?
I'm not sure what you mean about being up front about business activities. I could be way off base but if you are talking about one or both of the business' I own all of the Mods already know. I told them right when I started my last business. Why would you think I am shady like that? Again if I understood that the wrong way I apologize.
I think we went over the whole LFS getting in LEs topic. If you think that then you don't know your corals that well.
Your avatar? I'm glad you are proud of it but there is a reason it isn't an LE. I just gave away two Micro colonies like that at the bay area farmers market. They aren't really rare. Is that your example of LE corals that come in all the time? Why don't you look at the two LE Micros that Tyree sells. Show me a pic of those ones in your tank. I am still waiting on a pic of you LE riddled aquarium. A full tank shot will be nice.
oh man... do i have a treat for you....later.lol
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