wentreefgirl
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Mummra100769, did you get my pm with my email? Was looking forward to discussion.
What is a Tyree coral?
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mummra100769
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i sent you a pm back.
wentreefgirl
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oh, let me check, i didnt get email confirm. Thats weird.
tacocat
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Marketing for whom exactly? OK, so you and Conley believe that you're a sap if you get on one of Tyree's "Shady"
multiyear lists because you can get a similar coral or the same coral for cheaper and or sooner, correct? You also believe it keeps the price high so Tyree can roll in dough, correct?Well, if you put your name on the multiyear list (no money exchanged), you have multiyears to find the frag. So you get ahold of the orginal farmer (named on Tyree's site) or find out that Billybob's House of Coral carries it, and purchase the coral two years early and for less. You take you name off of Tyree's list.
Who did the marketing benefit? Did it benefit the "Shady Tyree
"? Nope. Billybob or the original farmer (who probably has the largest supply) benefitted because they weren't "Limiting" themselves. Who made the money and who was the "hype" generated for? Uhhh, take that Tyree, you underselling fool!!! You just lost my $100 of potential sale because you limited the supply.
isseym328
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Ultimately Tyree's corals are exotic looking and pretty unique until everyone has a frag of it. He doesn't just pick the common stuff and call it a LE. He actually makes sure they are pretty rare and unique before putting them on his list. And if they do become more common he does put a note of it on his website. Let's start collecting!
mummra100769
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7767438#post7767438 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tacocat
Marketing for whom exactly? OK, so you and Conley believe that you're a sap if you get on one of Tyree's "Shady"
Well, if you put your name on the multiyear list (no money exchanged), you have multiyears to find the frag. So you get ahold of the orginal farmer (named on Tyree's site) or find out that Billybob's House of Coral carries it, and purchase the coral two years early and for less. You take you name off of Tyree's list.
Who did the marketing benefit? Did it benefit the "Shady Tyree
Uhhh, take that Tyree, you underselling fool!!! You just lost my $100 of potential sale because you limited the supply.
where does it say clubs get prefered treatment?
i am not knocking him...from a business stand point he has made a marketing niche for himself and is making at least a living off this (even partly) hobby. kudos.
he is marketing corals with the lists and the illusion of how rare these items are. once again smart for business.kudos...but do not be mistaken that it is business first not some quest to save the reefs. it's just business and it seems to work for him. kudos.
tacocat
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Keith, where does it say they don't? Furthermore it states "rare" only once. If that statement implies that they are only available through Reeffarmers and Reeffarmers only, you are reading to far into it.
Still bro, I do take offense in you calling him Shady earlier, or implying that he takes the screws into the donor hobbyist (You definitely weren't alone in that). There is already too much hatred in reefkeeping.
Environmental groups hate us. PETA hates us. We don't need to hate each other.
If you don't agree with something, I don't see the point in rehashing it. Nothing good comes from it. As long as it's ethical, I can't see any reason to complain. In this thread, Steve's ethics are called into question. Hence my involvement. I don't see anything wrong ethically. He's not plundering the sea or robbing people. Like I mentioned earlier, You have a year or two to make up your mind.
I met him, and he's as enthusiatic as a newbie. He never wears a name tag. In fact, the only way you will know it's him is when someone points him out. I will say, he's probably one of the nicest people you will meet.
Look at his list of farmers. They are repeat offenders. I know a few of them. If he were a jerk, they wouldn't do business with him.
Still bro, I do take offense in you calling him Shady earlier, or implying that he takes the screws into the donor hobbyist (You definitely weren't alone in that). There is already too much hatred in reefkeeping.
Environmental groups hate us. PETA hates us. We don't need to hate each other. If you don't agree with something, I don't see the point in rehashing it. Nothing good comes from it. As long as it's ethical, I can't see any reason to complain. In this thread, Steve's ethics are called into question. Hence my involvement. I don't see anything wrong ethically. He's not plundering the sea or robbing people.
Like I mentioned earlier, You have a year or two to make up your mind. I met him, and he's as enthusiatic as a newbie. He never wears a name tag. In fact, the only way you will know it's him is when someone points him out. I will say, he's probably one of the nicest people you will meet.
Look at his list of farmers. They are repeat offenders. I know a few of them. If he were a jerk, they wouldn't do business with him.
mummra100769
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i said that "if" that type of practice did go on where the listers were being beaten out by other people then that would seem shady. i stand by that...if you put a list up and state that they are limited and then go sell a grip of frags to clubs at events and club gatherings...well i suppose every one has a sliding scale of ethics.
i in no way said anything about tyree personally...just questioned some of the business tactics taken to market live items. it is just my opinion and it's not like i am going to sway anyone in how they feel. i even went as far as to compliment the effectiveness of these marketing tools. they are marketing tools after all. and thats ok.
as for keeping the thread alive...i think we all have last word syndrome.lol
i in no way said anything about tyree personally...just questioned some of the business tactics taken to market live items. it is just my opinion and it's not like i am going to sway anyone in how they feel. i even went as far as to compliment the effectiveness of these marketing tools. they are marketing tools after all. and thats ok.
as for keeping the thread alive...i think we all have last word syndrome.lol
kozmo02
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I don't remember Tyree ever once stating that the frags he sold on the side with Frank in any way effected those waiting on the list, if he did I would love to see it, because him selling frags on the side may have not effected the list at all, we don't know. I think it is just speculation that it effected it.
mummra100769
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this is the thread that never ennndddsss......come and post with me my friennnnddddsss....sing along if you know the rest.lol
the whole concept of LE is that they will only frag these items monthly,bimonthly,trimonthly....so if there is an abundance of these frags, what is the list for?? marketing. and thats fine.
the whole concept of LE is that they will only frag these items monthly,bimonthly,trimonthly....so if there is an abundance of these frags, what is the list for?? marketing. and thats fine.
RichConley
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7767438#post7767438 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tacocat
Marketing for whom exactly? OK, so you and Conley believe that you're a sap if you get on one of Tyree's "Shady"
Well, if you put your name on the multiyear list (no money exchanged), you have multiyears to find the frag. So you get ahold of the orginal farmer (named on Tyree's site) or find out that Billybob's House of Coral carries it, and purchase the coral two years early and for less. You take you name off of Tyree's list.
Who did the marketing benefit? Did it benefit the "Shady Tyree
Uhhh, take that Tyree, you underselling fool!!! You just lost my $100 of potential sale because you limited the supply.
And during that period, 450 other people bought it during trade shows, club meetings, etc, under the false belief that they were getting a 'once in a lifetime' opportunity to purchase something that they would otherwise have to wait years for.. Thats where the profit is.
RichConley
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Thats not him. Its the environment he creates that does that. I've got a couple hobbiests near me that are the source for a couple of the LEs. One of them will post a frag for sale, and say its teh "Tyree Fancy Blue Panted Watermelon faced AcroChalice" or whatever, and will immediately get ripped apart by the "experts" saying "oh, the polyps on yours are slightly lighter, definitely not the same thing" or "the growth form on yours isnt as open, you're a fraud" etc etc etc.
Its no longer about the coral, its about being in the "LE club."
Thats not tyree's doing, but his methods most certainly encourage it.
mummra100769
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is that horse dead?
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