Peter Schmiedel
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What rare angel is the least owned?
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Peter Schmiedel
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7764987#post7764987 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by copps
That image is not from RCT... I've been to visit Frank and he does not keep any coral... you could clearly see live hard corals in that image...
Peter, is that image related to the 2004 trip? Ah... what images...
Yes, John that was the result of the trip to the end of the world
BTW, please respect to Copyright of these pictures which is by Jens Kallmeyer
Angel*Fish
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Can someone explain what's going on in Jens Kallmeyer's above photos? Is that a couple of harems, one huge one or what? Is this an example what S. Michael refers to as hanging out in "loose groups"?
Wonderful photos, BTW
An aside for Houstonians - if you like off-the-beaten-path angels, yesterday Aquarium World had 4 angels they called "blue-finned coral beauties" - they looked like C.multispinis-
Wonderful photos, BTW
An aside for Houstonians - if you like off-the-beaten-path angels, yesterday Aquarium World had 4 angels they called "blue-finned coral beauties" - they looked like C.multispinis-
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copps
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7770173#post7770173 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Schmiedel
Yes, John that was the result of the trip to the end of the world
BTW, please respect to Copyright of these pictures which is by Jens Kallmeyer
My apologies Peter... do copyrights apply to posting in these forums? Are we okay if we just mention where the image is from? Anyway again my apologies... I saw that anyone can fly to Ascension and they're trying to build up tourism... they even have a small hotel on the island. There's apparently a weekly flight from an Air Force Base in Florida, but no civilians are allowed, so you need to go through England... Anyway, it would be a nice trip... A synopsis of what was done on that trip again Peter would be great if you could...
That supposed peppermint pair in Japan is even mentioned in Scott Michael's angelfish and butterfly book... again uncorroborated...
Has anyone in this thread ever seen a peppermint in person, and if so, can you comment on the circumstances?
Oh and Angelfish, I was at a LFS over the weekend and the owner asked me what a Centropyge was... he said it was called a blue-finned coral beauty on his list... it indeed was Centropyge multispinis and a beautiful specimen at that!
Okay now you are changing what you said. :lol:
First you wrote:
"None has ever been known to exist in captivity in the US"
Now you write:
"None that was kept in captivity with any luck in the US"
BIG difference in the first two statements ... the first I would disagree with and the second I would agree with based on what I know. But who knows, maybe someone kept one but chose to keep it to themselves ... some people are private that way.
In your PM you said "in the book it states that none was ever known to exist in the US."
So now you are saying a book told you this? ... what book? If you are going to post a statement like this then it would be better to say you read it in a book instead of posting it as your own comment ... that way if its wrong, you can blame it.
I do know of one that was kept in captivity in the US in the late 80's ... it lived a few months but never ate and eventually wasted away. The price paid for that fish was over $5000.
As for Japan, you said you did not know about what was going on elsewhere, so my reply was to mention the Japanese fellow and fill in your knowledge gap. I have pictures of that tank with the fish in it, taken by a friend of mine.
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Charles
Out of curiosity, Charles, do you know what they (peppermint) eat (in the wild)? Is this something that we can aspire to replicate?
On a different note, I am considering a purchase from RCT (either a C. interruptus or a couple of C. resplendens) does anyone have an opinion about which would be the better option? I can put it/them in either a 200 gallon with no centropyge species or a 320 gallon with a C. multicolor (both tanks are reef tanks) I don't know if this thread is an appropriate place for this question but if it is not I can start a different thread about keeping Centropyge species. Thanks in advance.
On a different note, I am considering a purchase from RCT (either a C. interruptus or a couple of C. resplendens) does anyone have an opinion about which would be the better option? I can put it/them in either a 200 gallon with no centropyge species or a 320 gallon with a C. multicolor (both tanks are reef tanks) I don't know if this thread is an appropriate place for this question but if it is not I can start a different thread about keeping Centropyge species. Thanks in advance.
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would you actually call that successful? so if I were to buy one and mine wasted in a few months (2-3months) because the specimen could not adapt to captivity would that be considered as having one in captivity? I would say that if I kept one for a few years successfully and it adapted to the captive environment then I would consider that captivity. but if it dies a few months after purchasing it because it does not eat and cannot adapt away from its natural environment then I would consider that a different story.
Mahalo!
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Sorry I have no idea what they eat I don't think anyone has looked at the gut contents of the preserved type specimens. I would GUESS that it would be similar to C. multifasciatus and be a mixture of tunicates, sponge, crustaceans and perhaps diatoms.
BTW the correct genus is now Paracentropyge.
Aloha!
Charles
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John,
no offense taken for the pictures, just wanted to mention it before we find them in a book or so
The always had one hotel, two geust houses and guest rooms for sientific guest and off shore fishing guest on ascension thats not the problem. The problem is that as a civilian you only get there via the British Ari Force and there are very limited places for civilians not being a resident on the island. Then you need your tanks filled up, a boat ... we had month of preparation.
And beside that it is absolutly forbidden to export any living animal from the island, as the security check is done twice by the airforce (Ascension and military base in UK) you better not mess around with them
no offense taken for the pictures, just wanted to mention it before we find them in a book or so
The always had one hotel, two geust houses and guest rooms for sientific guest and off shore fishing guest on ascension thats not the problem. The problem is that as a civilian you only get there via the British Ari Force and there are very limited places for civilians not being a resident on the island. Then you need your tanks filled up, a boat ... we had month of preparation.
And beside that it is absolutly forbidden to export any living animal from the island, as the security check is done twice by the airforce (Ascension and military base in UK) you better not mess around with them
Peter Schmiedel
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Marie,
in optimal habitat the resplendens lives in huge groups (100-300 fish!!) in the shown gravel hills. After observing them there I concluded that these groups consist of serveral harem groups. These harem groups stick very close together and move only a few meter away to forage on algae on the gravel. Also very unusal is the very high amount of plankton foraging the Centropye does, in my oppinon he feeds mostly on plankton. If the groups always stick to "their" hill, or if they also move to other hills could not be observed in the given time.
I have more pictures of the site on my website:
http://www.reefsafe.de/ascension.htm
And we had already a discussion here in the board:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=563350&highlight=resplendens
copps
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7777221#post7777221 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Schmiedel
And beside that it is absolutly forbidden to export any living animal from the island, as the security check is done twice by the airforce (Ascension and military base in UK) you better not mess around with them
How long has this policy been in place? Are the ones collected that show up in Japan legally taken? Are they collected by someone on the island, or is a boat going there for collection?
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Peter,
Thanks for all the info - I really appreciate it.
I had passed by the Ascension thread before without even checking it out - I think I'm jealous of you traveling scuba divers
What beautiful photos on your website. Not one of those fish looked liked it wanted to be scooped up for my aquarium, BTW.
Thanks for all the info - I really appreciate it.
I had passed by the Ascension thread before without even checking it out - I think I'm jealous of you traveling scuba divers
What beautiful photos on your website. Not one of those fish looked liked it wanted to be scooped up for my aquarium, BTW.
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Maybe they are all over right now, then. - Not the expensive rare fish of the thread topic, but a little unusual and more affordable. $45 poor man's rare angel :lol:
copps
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Glad to see you picked them up Rendos... These guys are not rare, but they are probably the closest known relative to the peppermints, and Frank Baensch has successfully bred them!
Charles, so boylei is now classified under Paracentropyge but multifasciatus is not (I saw you reference C. multifasciatus above)? Is venustus in Sumireyakko still?
Here's my poor man's peppermint...
Charles, so boylei is now classified under Paracentropyge but multifasciatus is not (I saw you reference C. multifasciatus above)? Is venustus in Sumireyakko still?
Here's my poor man's peppermint...
According to the owners of the Japanese store, they were wild caught. Email communication was difficult with them, but they insisted that they were. However, a good while later, while speaking to Frank, I believe he mentioned that he actually supplied them.
copps
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Interesting... but does anyone know when the ban went into effect? Wild resplendens were showing up in Japan before Frank was breeding these... I saved this image (sorry it's small, but I must have saved the thumbnail), and I believe this was before Frank was doing them... This must be a recent policy... or were these waifs that showed up in Bermuda?
This is a beautiful overlooked fish... somehow you color it red and people go nuts! I've had mine for over a year now I believe, and he's rock solid... It does definately get wows when people see it in person... one of those fish that doesn't photo as well...
Vili_Shark
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Resplendens were available late nintees and not so expensive.
I've been told that collectors were going to Ascension Isl. few times a year to collect few hundreds specimens each time and ship to Asia and the states.
UK was getting them by the army personnel.
TMC used to have them in stock.
Last few years it's a whole different story.
The only ones I saw or heard about were Frank's (saw them in LA early 2005).
I think that most of Frank's respelndens went to Japan, it's the best market for them.
I've been told that collectors were going to Ascension Isl. few times a year to collect few hundreds specimens each time and ship to Asia and the states.
UK was getting them by the army personnel.
TMC used to have them in stock.
Last few years it's a whole different story.
The only ones I saw or heard about were Frank's (saw them in LA early 2005).
I think that most of Frank's respelndens went to Japan, it's the best market for them.
copps
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Thanks Vili... I remember that too... I remember the days of $300 clarions and thousand dollar asfur angels... but does anyone know when the ban went into effect? According to Frank there is a blanket ban on all reef collection... yet sport fishing is popular there. Reminds me of the clarion angel's homeland, where there is rampant sportfishing, but not a clarion could be taken despite being very abundant... Can anyone elaborate on this? Has there been any known wild collection of resplendens since 2000?
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