what the best thing to feed sps's

I've had many of my SPS for 3+ years, and have never added food for any reason. I dont keep fish in the tank either. Light is a wonderful thing. I agree with the idea that bacteria feed the corals, as well as light being their primary source of energy. You can have your opinion, but my tank speaks loud enough for me.
 
SPS are photosynthetic, opportunistic carnivors. Occasionaly something on the reef gets chomped on and the SPS get a meaty snack. The rest of the time they are soaking up the sun & eating micro-infauna being kicked around by the waves/currents. I try to reproduce that pattern in my tank by running a fuge which is some what of a infauna breeding ground. I have a crazy amount of flow (my sand is always shifting somewhat). Maybe once or twice a month I will add lightly some Golden Pearls or Cyclopeze. Otherwise the only feeding my SPS may get is when I feed my fish every 2 -3 days.
 
Eric Borneman has a wonderful book called Aquarium Corals. It has a chapter (4) called Foods & Feeding: Nutrition on the Reef and in the Aquarium. Without going too crazy with quotes from the book, I would direct your attention to the caption under the photo on page 59. It reads: Contrary to popular belief, many photosynthetic corals, such as this Acropora sp., derive a majority of their energy from feeding and nutrient absorbtion.

Definitely a must have for all serious reefkeepers. Worth a read at the very least.

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MiNdErAsR said:
It reads: Contrary to popular belief, many photosynthetic corals, such as this Acropora sp., derive a majority of their energy from feeding and nutrient absorbtion.

It's a general statement. No data was presented on the gut contents of this or any other Acropora FWIW. "Feeding and nutrient absorbtion" could mean DOs, bacteria, mucus, pods, squid, et al....Not to mention there is no evidence presented on how he knows this "fact" about their energy budgets. I need more than his "word", since my experience (and others) shows little need to directly feed them.

You see how much tissue covers a typical "SPS" skeleton. Am I to believe they need copious amounts of food to sustain this?
They are opportunistic at best.

Perhaps the polyp functions as more than just a mouth. Mr. Borneman doesn't address this. None of the hobby authors address this. The polyp is the main site of respiration in the coral. It's worth it to look outside the hobby literature for information as well...
 
I dont put much stock in other people's writings. Life teaches you more than a book ever could. ME has taught me what my corals need, and trust me they are happy.
 
G-money said:
It's a general statement. No data was presented on the gut contents of this or any other Acropora FWIW. "Feeding and nutrient absorbtion" could mean DOs, bacteria, mucus, pods, squid, et al....Not to mention there is no evidence presented on how he knows this "fact" about their energy budgets. I need more than his "word", since my experience (and others) shows little need to directly feed them.
Borneman DOES present PLENTY of data in his book and his articles. I only chose not to include them for the sake of brevity. I specifically stated "Without going too crazy with quotes...". Guess I'll include more quotations here.

You see how much tissue covers a typical "SPS" skeleton. Am I to believe they need copious amounts of food to sustain this?

Yes! From Baensch's Marine Atlas Vol. 2 (1997) on page 336 Order Scleractinia: Anatomy; All polyps of the colony are covered by a thin tissue layer and interconnected by a richly branched vascular system. Hence the nutrients captured by one polyp are food for the entire colony. One or several rows of tentacles are arranged along the circumference of the circular oral disc. Occurring in multiples of 6, the tentacles are armed with batteries of nematocysts. Nematocysts...are predation and defense organelles....Upon tactile stimulation, nematocysts discharge explosively from their capsule, stunning and capturing small planktonic organisms with adhesive threads.

They are opportunistic at best.

I disagree whole heartedly. As noted here and above, they are predatory. From The Modern Coral Reef Aquarium Vol. 1 (Fosså and Nilsen 1996), Among the consuming organisms on a coral reef the corals themselves are most prominent. In addition to the nutrients they obtain from the products of the photosynthesis of their zooxanthellae, most of them ingest planktonic food.

Perhaps the polyp functions as more than just a mouth.
Agreed. Read on...

Mr. Borneman doesn't address this. None of the hobby authors address this. The polyp is the main site of respiration in the coral.
Again disagree, disagree, and agree. :) Borneman (as well as many other authors) address this time and time again. An example, from The Modern Coral Reef Aquarium Vol. 2 (Fosså and Nilsen 1998), Cnidarians have no specialised organs for the exchange of gases. They obtain their oxygen and emit their carbon dioxide by diffusion through the cell membrane. Thus the animals are dependent on water currents that flow around them and into the individual polyps and out again. Also mentioned, Cnidarians are in principle animals that depend on planktonic food that is carried to them by the water currents.

It's worth it to look outside the hobby literature for information as well...
Absolutely. In fact hobby authors happily provide outside hobby sources as references mentioned in each of their books/articles. They do the ground work, hopefully sparking an interest with their writings, then point you in the right direction for the material from which they've obtained their information and drawn conclusions.

Coral utilize many different sources for nutrition including (but not limited to) DO, photosynthesis, bacteria, and prey capture. Should you feed your coral? YES! What should you feed them? As seen in this thread, a variety of food works.
 
MiNdErAsR said:
derive a majority of their energy from feeding and nutrient absorbtion

If you're talking SPS in the purest sense - that would be bacteria, bacterial detritus and direct absorption.
 
Yes! From Baensch's Marine Atlas Vol. 2 (1997) on page 336 Order Scleractinia: Anatomy;

Jim, that's anatomy. It explains how they work not how much food they need. I see it didn't mention cilia which are there to farm, harvest, and transport bacteria.

stunning and capturing small planktonic organisms

This is where you run into trouble when you have people decoding something they are not trained to do and are not familiar with the lingo.

Plankton are microscopic organisms (plants, animals, and BACTERIA) that float freely with oceanic currents.


Among the consuming organisms on a coral reef the corals themselves are most prominent. In addition to the nutrients they obtain from the products of the photosynthesis of their zooxanthellae, most of them ingest planktonic food.

It's really very simple and efficient. CO2 = zoox = carbon source = bacteria. There are literally tons of bacteria that fix nitrogen from the atmosphere (+/-80%) they need sugar. It's a sweet, simple deal. Low in energy expenditure for the coral. Capturing prey like you are thinking is very energy inefficient for them.

Cnidarians have no specialised organs for the exchange of gases. They obtain their oxygen and emit their carbon dioxide by diffusion through the cell membrane.

Right, they don't have lungs (specialized organs). They do however have structures that they can adjust, polyps/flesh/etc, to facilitate respiration and waste removal.

Cnidarians are in principle animals that depend on planktonic food that is carried to them by the water currents

In principle. Bacteria, bacterial flock, coral slime, etc. Fluid dynamics prevents them from being too good at capturing particulate detritus and small animals though.

In fact hobby authors happily provide outside hobby sources as references mentioned in each of their books/articles.

They have a hard time interpreting what they read though. ;)

""Cnidarians are in principle animals that depend on planktonic food""

""Should you feed your coral? YES!""

Jim, you just fell into the same trap. Using too big of a word (Cnidarians - coral) and making a generalization.
Should you feed them - yes. I agree. Now tell me exactly what to feed exactly which coral.

The problem is, these guys that write these books don't know. That's why they make these broad generalizations.

Most true SPS you don't need to add anything. You really don't. They are perfectly capable of setting up a situation to where they farm their own food.
 
I blow my rock of several times a day (they have not been cooked), so by doing this, am I basically feeding them?
 
I'm with Bomber - completely.

BTW Jim, I do have Borneman's book. I've read it many times cover to cover and many more times just the chapters on physiology, etc... I don't come away with the same concrete conclusions you do, nor do I see it in the same light as I "used to". As they say, to each their own! :)
 
I agree with bomber and G-money. Through my studies of sps corals I have developed the same conclusion. I was going to say pretty much the same thing as bomber, but not as detailed. He is the man.
 
amazing discussion guys. great use of resources.

also i'm glad this has not gotten too heated up. hope it stays that way

Lunchbucket
 
Blowing off my rocks every couple of days is all I ever do for them to get any "food" most of this is covered in bacteria I would guess. I don't directly feed anything to my sps and they are growing just fine.
 
I agree that you don't have to put much effort into feeding SPS specifically. When I blow off my rocks, the first coral that responds is my calathra which, in minutes, extends long stringy filaments from each tip. Either it is not happy with what has gone on in the water for some reason or it is responding to some feeding time. Either way, it grows and is healthy.
 
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