What to put in my 45g?

[small alien]

Google reef central cleaner wrasse and do some homework. You'll find out why it's a no go.

It's not about number of fish. It's about territory, behavior and bioload. A hard number makes no sense.

 

[91Atrac]

Google reef central cleaner wrasse and do some homework. You'll find out why it's a no go.

It's not about number of fish. It's about territory, behavior and bioload. A hard number makes no sense.

Yea I understand now. How about a cow fish? How would that do let's say if I went to a 60g.

There so sick looking being a small boxy with fish with horns


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[rssjsb]

Longhorn cowfish get to be about 18" in the wild. They grow really fast, too. So, no, not a good idea.

You are going to be limited in that tank to a few really small fish. Because of the footprint, a pair of clownfish will claim the whole tank for themselves. You might be able to do the clowns and a pair of gobies with a pistol shrimp.

Beyond that, you don't really have the space for an open-water swimmer like a centropyge angel or any kind of wrasse.

You might get away with a tailspot blenny or possum wrasse, both of which stay close to the rocks. You'd have to plan your aquascape very carefully, though, and in the end, the clowns might limit your options significantly.

 

[91Atrac]

Will the pair of clowns really take over the tank? I didn't know they would become THAT territorial.

I'd really like to keep the pair of shrimp and goby. Maybe have a red fire fish goby too. The filefish would be cool to keep too. Had one and loved how he roamed around. He ate mysis shrimp and cyclopeez, baby brine but not so much of the flake food.

The tailspot or bicolor blennie I'll keep and I wanna try the coral beauty angel as well, as I've had good luck with him in the past.

Am I being to pushy in trying all this stock together in my 45g? Please let me know.


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[SushiGirl]

Will the pair of clowns really take over the tank? I didn't know they would become THAT territorial.
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Am I being to pushy in trying all this stock together in my 45g? Please let me know.

Yes
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Yes. 7 fish in a 45, especially with a pair of clowns (they're in the damsel family) will be too much. We have 3 fish in our now peaceful 55 gallon. When we had 4, it wasn't all out war, but it certainly wasn't peaceful.

 

[91Atrac]

Even if there's lots of rockwork ? You don't think it'll work? The reef I had was a 28g with a 10g sump and you may hate me but I had this for stock. ( first reef ever by the way )
Bicolor blennie, pink spotted goby, engineer goby(had a tank to transfer to once to large), yellow belly damsel, pair of true percs, matted file fish, coral beauty angel, cleaner wrasse( which I saw seemed to harasse and over clean fish especially the pink spotted goby), cleaner shrimp, peppermint shrimp. Also had a GBTA which I now know would have been outrageous in that size of tank. I have learnt from the experience I had a bad setup for filtration but all the fish did get along and coexist happily. This time I do want the tank to be alot better and I want to be more prepared and his is why I've opened so many topics and ask alot of questions. Research can help but experience and other reefers experience is key to me. I absolutely loved my engineer goby alot. Watching him dig his home and slither in and out for food and to clean his exit was amazing and awesome. This tank I want another anemone but think a maxi will have to be the only option I'll have with the size of tank also why I want to add a clam so I've red the corcea family is the best correct?


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[91Atrac]

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[SushiGirl]

Even if there's lots of rockwork ? You don't think it'll work?

My tank is almost all rockwork (80 lbs of very light, large rock in a 55), and still there were 2 of 4 fish that did not get along. All 4 fish all got along for several months, until they got older and more established. One cardinal bullied the other one until he got stuck behind a rock and died. Both gobies got along until we replaced the lost cardinal with a coris wrasse, who teamed up with one of the gobies. That goby then got more brave and started picking on the other goby, who then hid all the time. Now that the one goby died, the other goby is out all the time.

Research can help but experience and other reefers experience is key to me.

But you're not seeming to want to listen to anyone's experience that you'd be overstocking.

 

[91Atrac]

No I will for sure be this time. It's just gonna be hard for me to choose hearing how my plans are already overstocked.

So I will just keep working on my thoughts and look into other fish but the pair of pistol shrimp and goby will be for sure. So will the pair of clowns. Either black and white or true perc orange.


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[SushiGirl]

Be aware that 2 gobies, unless they're a mated pair, are not going to get along in a 45.

 

[91Atrac]

I'll take that I heart as I found out having the engineer and pink spotted gobies the pink one bullied the little engineer.

So so far I have either a tailspot or bi color blennie, pair of clowns and a shrimp goby( yashi or hi fin) tiger pistol shrimp pair,


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[rssjsb]

Will the pair of clowns really take over the tank? I didn't know they would become THAT territorial.

Yes, when they mature and begin to spawn, they will defend their territory. My occelaris are pretty mellow, but the female will fight my Kole tang (she's got the scars to prove it) when she's got eggs.

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These fish are really timid. I don't think it's a good combo with the clowns. By the way, what are the dimensions of this tank? Is it 18 inches wide?

The filefish would be cool to keep too. Had one and loved how he roamed around. He ate mysis shrimp and cyclopeez, baby brine but not so much of the flake food.

They are cool, but I still don't think you want to put them or an other open water swimmer in such a narrow tank, especially with a pair of clowns. It might work in the short term, but eventually, there will be trouble.

Please do not put any angel fish in this tank. They simply need more space and can get kind of pushy when put into a confined space.

As to your ultimate question, yes I think you're being a little too eager to pack fish into this tank. I know it's hard to make up your mind, and there are a lot of cool fish to choose from, but you can't keep all of them. Take your time and treat it like a logic game. Then be patient.

 

[91Atrac]

I appreciate the honesty. I'm doing it patiently this time. Promise to all hobbiests. So I'll ask then what other fish or inverts could I add? I was thinking of adding a maxi mini and a sexy shrimp or 2. Going to add over 20 blue legged hermits. Maybe a couple scarlet hermits and some Halloween hermits to mix up the clean up crew. Also how about a cleaner shrimp? What options do I have for maybe one unique fish to have with the fish in this setup.. Tank sits 24" h, 24" L, 18" deep


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[small alien]

Here's 10 fish you could put in there together:

Clown goby.
Trimma goby X 3
Firefish
Shrimp goby with pistol
Hector's or Rainford's goby
Royal gramma
Possum wrasse
Tailspot blenny.

 

[small alien]

I would lighten your hermit plans. No holloweens. 5 scarlet and 5 blue leg is plenty. Half that would be fine. I recommend adding cleanup crews gradually as needed to avoid losses.

 

[rssjsb]

So I'll ask then what other fish or inverts could I add?

I'm sorry, but I'm not actually clear on what list you're working from right now. Could you spell it out?

Small alien's list of suggestions is good, and represents the size of fish you should be thinking about for this tank.

He's also right about the clean up crew. You don't need anywhere near that many hermits. They add to your bioload and will also fight if they're too cramped.

 

[91Atrac]

Yes I see his new posts and I'm gonna look into those and definitely stay away from larger fish then the clowns. Sadly


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[Shoryureppa]

pair of yasha and a pistol,
deep water coral beauty http://www.reefcentral.org/forums/showthread.php?p=17444927
tanaka wrasse, tailspot blenny

 

[91Atrac]

pair of yasha and a pistol,
deep water coral beauty http://www.reefcentral.org/forums/showthread.php?p=17444927
tanaka wrasse, tailspot blenny

After reading through that post. How does it relate to this lol. Sorry but just wondering if your saying that deep water coral beauties would be safe for my 45? Or you just mentioning they change colors in deeper water?


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