BobJones02
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8 hour plane shipping with no water but most newspaper or 4 days ground submerged in water?
Talking about liverock, of course.
Talking about liverock, of course.
What would cause more dieoff
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der_wille_zur_macht
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What temps/climates? Is the airline option in the passenger compartment?
BobJones02
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airline is freight. Florida to Cali so nothing below 40 degrees F probably. Also there will be heat packs for both
I can't really answer your question but I am sure it gets much colder in a cargo bay at ~30,000 feet. It will be quicker and as long as the heat packs last from pickup to the flight landing you should be ok.
BobJones02
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yeah I meant ground shipping probably will stay above 40 degrees
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The real facts about REAL live rock...
The real facts about REAL live rock...
Neither if you want real live rock with no issues that you can add directly to your tank with no headaches.
Real live rock is just that....live....asking the life on the rock to be as it was when taken from the sea....you must treat it as live rock, from collection to introduction to your tank.
Shipped underwater and in a very timely factor as in same day or next morning is mandatory. Real live rock that is shipped correctly , packed underwater with pure 02 in the bags for the transit is the ONLY way to expect real live rock with no issues. That way the rock never knows it has left the ocean as it is in the same environment as it came from, and arrives a such. Rock shipped underwater with four days in transit is going to be a huge issue, as you simply cannot put enough 02 in the bag to sustain it that long....has to be shipped same day, or next at a max time in the box, or the 02 will deplete and the water quality degrade and the rock with it.
I saw a thread on the 'other' forum where someone tried to import some fiji rock spent a zillion dollars on some Air freighted 'fiji premium' for his tank as he was having so many issues with the rock he had previously used.....hair algae..tank parameters and no life on the rock..and all that goes with using stressed out rock to start a tank.
Well he ordered from Walt Smith 'fiji premium' air freighted rock.....it takes days and days for the rock to get to the US and eventually your tank...well long story short....of course the rock died....and stunk up his whole house....as it simply will not survive for days out of the water.
Walt Smith rock is some of the best live rock available in the world, hands down if you are in fiji, but unfortunately is simply not available to be shipped underwater as it must be from fiji to the US, as transit times are too long, costs are too much for there to be enough of 02 to be injected into the bags to maintain an 02 rich environment to keep the rock alive, the water quality degrades and the rock dies as it's environment is compromised on the many days it takes to reach you.
This is why all rock from overseas is shipped dry or in wet newspaper..as all imported rock is. Walt realized this many years ago, and is why he ships it as 'boat rock', or air freight dry as that is the best way to import rock from that area. you simply cannot ship it correctly from those distances to the US and have it arrive alive and ready for introduction to your tank upon opening the boxes, it requires more care to be used in your tank. Imported rock has to be cured due to the delivery process, is standard in the industry...and Walt smith does it best....for transshipped rock.
So after spending many dollars on premium rock, many dollars on salt mix, and all the hassle involved with that...what do you end up with...many many water changes. as you cant stand the smell in your house....what is left on the rock after being shipped dry is now dead after trying to 'cure' it for weeks, it is not 'curing' it is trying to bring dead rock to a state where it can be used for a tank, after months of issues, before and after adding it to your tank.
There are no short cuts for 'real' live rock and a real alternative for real live rock you want to add to your tank, like anything else, do it right, and you will have no issues with starting a reef tank, and having a full blown happy reef tank with perfect parameters in a couple of weeks just as all of these folks experienced
http://tbsaltwater.com/testimonials/index.html
A more recent example of rock that was collected/held/shipped correctly is here...
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2657747&highlight=tampa+bay+saltwater
and this is what I have heard from all my folks who get their live rock collected/held/shipped correctly. for the last thirty years...
The reason you see so many alternatives to real live rock from the ocean, is there is simply not enough of the 'real thing' to go around, so all the dry rock, man made rock, ect. is on the market to fill that void....but is it worth is to go that route, and start a tank with rock that presents issues from the get go....or rock that makes a happy tank from the get go?
Like anything else, there is a right way to handle real live rock....and other methods....:rollface:
The real facts about REAL live rock...
Neither if you want real live rock with no issues that you can add directly to your tank with no headaches.
Real live rock is just that....live....asking the life on the rock to be as it was when taken from the sea....you must treat it as live rock, from collection to introduction to your tank.
Shipped underwater and in a very timely factor as in same day or next morning is mandatory. Real live rock that is shipped correctly , packed underwater with pure 02 in the bags for the transit is the ONLY way to expect real live rock with no issues. That way the rock never knows it has left the ocean as it is in the same environment as it came from, and arrives a such. Rock shipped underwater with four days in transit is going to be a huge issue, as you simply cannot put enough 02 in the bag to sustain it that long....has to be shipped same day, or next at a max time in the box, or the 02 will deplete and the water quality degrade and the rock with it.
I saw a thread on the 'other' forum where someone tried to import some fiji rock spent a zillion dollars on some Air freighted 'fiji premium' for his tank as he was having so many issues with the rock he had previously used.....hair algae..tank parameters and no life on the rock..and all that goes with using stressed out rock to start a tank.
Well he ordered from Walt Smith 'fiji premium' air freighted rock.....it takes days and days for the rock to get to the US and eventually your tank...well long story short....of course the rock died....and stunk up his whole house....as it simply will not survive for days out of the water.
Walt Smith rock is some of the best live rock available in the world, hands down if you are in fiji, but unfortunately is simply not available to be shipped underwater as it must be from fiji to the US, as transit times are too long, costs are too much for there to be enough of 02 to be injected into the bags to maintain an 02 rich environment to keep the rock alive, the water quality degrades and the rock dies as it's environment is compromised on the many days it takes to reach you.
This is why all rock from overseas is shipped dry or in wet newspaper..as all imported rock is. Walt realized this many years ago, and is why he ships it as 'boat rock', or air freight dry as that is the best way to import rock from that area. you simply cannot ship it correctly from those distances to the US and have it arrive alive and ready for introduction to your tank upon opening the boxes, it requires more care to be used in your tank. Imported rock has to be cured due to the delivery process, is standard in the industry...and Walt smith does it best....for transshipped rock.
So after spending many dollars on premium rock, many dollars on salt mix, and all the hassle involved with that...what do you end up with...many many water changes. as you cant stand the smell in your house....what is left on the rock after being shipped dry is now dead after trying to 'cure' it for weeks, it is not 'curing' it is trying to bring dead rock to a state where it can be used for a tank, after months of issues, before and after adding it to your tank.
There are no short cuts for 'real' live rock and a real alternative for real live rock you want to add to your tank, like anything else, do it right, and you will have no issues with starting a reef tank, and having a full blown happy reef tank with perfect parameters in a couple of weeks just as all of these folks experienced
http://tbsaltwater.com/testimonials/index.html
A more recent example of rock that was collected/held/shipped correctly is here...
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2657747&highlight=tampa+bay+saltwater
and this is what I have heard from all my folks who get their live rock collected/held/shipped correctly. for the last thirty years...
The reason you see so many alternatives to real live rock from the ocean, is there is simply not enough of the 'real thing' to go around, so all the dry rock, man made rock, ect. is on the market to fill that void....but is it worth is to go that route, and start a tank with rock that presents issues from the get go....or rock that makes a happy tank from the get go?
Like anything else, there is a right way to handle real live rock....and other methods....:rollface:
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JohnnyK731
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I bought 120 pounds of live rock from Florida 5 years ago, I don't have that set up any more as I've moved to a larger system but it came in a day and was packed fantastically. From Florida to San Diego shipped via air. So it can be done he site was live rock and reef.
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