Whats wrong with my horse?

nanafish

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Last evening and into today- My male Reidi has been having some issues with buoyancy. And too his pouch appears to be distended. A few weeks back I had thought that he may be pregnant as he and the female were doing courting movements and changing colors etc. Thinking it was gas in the pouch- I had tried inserting a plastic sleeve that goes over the IV needle into the anal opening to release the air. While holding him under the water, I could feel and hear a 'pop' from his body. Later in the evening, I could see some type of clear bubble-like gel protroding from the opening. Is this prodromal to birthing? Or do I have something more grave happening to this horse? BTW- water temp is 72*.
 
I hope you meant to say you inserted the plastic sleeve at the top of the pouch where the opening is.... and not into the anal opening.

My assumption would be there is air trapped in the pouch - or there could be something more sinister going on.

There should be no "clear gel" coming from the opening of the pouch.

A few different things cause boyancy issues. Hopefully Ann or DanU will be along shortly to give proper procedures.
 
yep, like Tom said, hopefully you inserted it into the top of the pouch, not the anal opening...

Are you sure it is gel protruding from the opening, and not a clear gas-filled bubble? It could be a prolapse of gasses trapped in the pouch lining.

From what you've described, I'd say you need Diamox http://www.inhousedrugstore.com/neurological/diamox.html

Can you get a picture?
 
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It does look like a small prolapse to me. He's going to need to correct that himself. When he does correct it, attempt another pouch evacuation. Until then, you'll need Diamox to treat the buoyancy problems. I'd also move him to a hospital tank, keep pristine water parameters, and bring the temperature down to 68* to reduce the risk of secondary infection.
 
He keeps trying to hitch with 40-60% accuracy. Most of the time he is 'hooked' under a piece of LR. The way he flips around in the tank is like watching astronauts tumble about in zero gravity. I'll get in touch with my vet on Monday to see if I can get some diamox. Any idea of dosage? would it be a tablet pulverized and added to RO water? or is there an injectible form to use as a 'douche'(enema)???
Many thanks to all
 
It would be in tablet form. 250mg per 10 gallons for 3-5 days. It can also be used as a pouch flush, though, if you aren't getting air to come out, I wouldn't use it that way.
 
nanafish, I want to clarify something. I can't be 100% sure since I'm trying to "diagnose" from home photos, but I think that the seahorse has a small prolapse of the pouch lining. However, the prolapse of the lining won't cause floating, it is just a secondary problem that develops out of the problem causing the floating (likely pouch emphysema).
Can you clarify whether what is protruding from the pouch appears to be tissue, a clear "bubble", or fluid/pus?

Have you attempted another pouch evacuation? If the gas trapped in the pouch is not in the pouch lining, an evacuation can release it so he's not floating anymore. This is a relatively simple procedure, but when not done, it can cost the life of the seahorse.

Have you used the Diamox at all (either as a bath or a pouch flush)? The Diamox should help, at least temporarily, with the buoyancy issues, but it will affect appetite, so if he's already not eating, be prepared to provide live foods to tempt him; and be prepared to tube feed if that doesn't work... Remember, seahorses can only go roughly 4 days without food.

Not trying to pressure you to update the thread, but treating seahorses is pretty time sensitive, and if there is an infection in the pouch (or elsewhere) in addition to the gas in the pouch, there is limited time to take care of it. If you don't already have antibiotics on hand, I would get some. I would also bring the tank temperature down to 68* to help prevent infection (by no more than 4 degrees per day).

Speaking of, what are your water parameters? Specifically, ammonia, nitrate, pH, and temperature? Is the pH stable? Any changes in the tank? Any big algae blooms? New additions?
 
Ann & nanafish,

It also appears that this male has a bubble on his tail. You can see it in the first two photos, but it is clearer in the second, right where the tail is going out of the frame.

Nana, you don't need anything but your fingers to evacuate the air from his pouch. Unfortunately, I have a male erectus who was given to me due to his pouch problems, and I have had to do pouch evacs multiple times. I have found that one of the keys to success with pouch evacs is to gently use your finger pad (no nails) to press down (towards the spine) and away from the pouch opening while using a finger to contain the air/gas in the pouch up towards the opening (instead of deep inside the pouch.) That probably wasn't clearly written, but when you see the little stream of air bubbles being released from his pouch, you'll know you were successful. Good luck to you both.
 
Ok I finally get on the site- have satellite and it is having weather issues tonite. The horse is still buoyant. I have been trying to purge the pouch- but there is NO air in there. The swelling definitly appears to be above- the intestinal area. The protrosion of the white substance is NOT from the pouch. It is definitly from the anal area. He definitly does not like e holding him anymore as he speeds away the best he can when he sees my hand. Yes he has a bubble on his tail. The parameters are: pH- 8.3,
Nitrites 1.0, P04- 0.5, Ammonia <0.25, Nitrates 1.0. The temp is down to 71*F . I have been having some problems with tank supplies as the pump to my skimmer died, and the AquaClear 110 died as well. I then experienced quite an algea bloom. The only new addition was a purchase of some macroalgae. I have since scrounged around and found a pump for the skimmer- although it is smaller than the original. I had performed a water change on Sunday as well. The other horses appear to be fine . The female Reidi is concerned about her mate. I'm afraid I may loose her should I loose this male...
 
Forgot to add- the substance protruding appears to be tissue. at times there is some mucous. I can try to gently manipulate this back in. but it pop back out after awhile.
 
You won't lose the female over "loneliness". If you lose her, it would be due to illness also.

I would move the male to a hospital tank. Dose it with Diamox at 250mg per 10 gallons every day for 3 days (crush pill, mix well in a cup of water, pour in everything but the residue that settles to the bottom). I would also dose with Furan-2 at 1 packet per 10 gallons daily for 10 days. Do daily 50% water changes (before you add the meds everyday), to help keep ammonia down. Ammonia and nitrite both need to be at zero.
 
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Forgot to add- the substance protruding appears to be tissue. at times there is some mucous. I can try to gently manipulate this back in. but it pop back out after awhile.

Leave it alone. You don't want to open up the opportunity for more problems by messing with it.
 
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