Which is easier lps or sps?

[gone fishin]

I agree, buuuut...

I do not think it is a good practice to come into the noob area of a forum and start telling people who don't appear to understand the basic needs of their corals that they can stop changing water or throw away their skimmer. If Russ and Liquid are going to do that they should be willing, at the very least, to explain their methods in sufficient detail to allow replication. It serves nothing but their egos to brag about their beautiful growth amongst the younguns here, and in a bunch of other recent threads. IMO it does more harm than good, especially when both have hidden means of export.

It is no surprise to me at all that when pressed, both fell back on lame excuses for why their tanks are special. Both of these posters rolled up in here like "nah, you don't need that fancy stuff" and then both admitted they are exporting nutrients other ways but refused to elaborate. Come on! This area of the forum is about teaching, and that's not how a teacher be's.

But at least liquid posted pics, that's a beautiful tank. well done!

One of the few things in this thread that makes sense.

 

[JammyBirch]

stop jacking up your alk above 7.5-8 then

Yup I'm with you on that point.

 

[wbwhale]

Smell the death! Well, that wins the internet for me today.

 

[Jrambo88]

RussIV was so quick to bash everyone using skimmers but won't post pictures of his tank and his set up. We are all patiently waiting....

 

[CHSUB]

skimmer or no skimmer, one can have a successful reef. however, to suggested that a skimmer is like adding tetracycline to your reef is idiotic!!!

nevertheless, a "dry zone" is a million dollar idea!!!:blown:

 

[gone fishin]

I really just can't bring myself to post anything without getting infracted.

 

[pisanoal]

skimmer or no skimmer, one can have a successful reef. however, to suggested that a skimmer is like adding tetracycline to your reef is idiotic!!!

nevertheless, a "dry zone" is a million dollar idea!!!:blown:

Agreed here. I've seen lots beautiful tanks that use skimmers and some that don't.

 

[pisanoal]

nitrates are at an atomic scale.

that little bubbler is just a particle suspender. it doesnt matter if it is algae, or a bristle worm. its getting sucked up.

let the bacteria and the microfauna do most of the work like they should. by throwing a skimmer in there you just did something worse than dosing tetracycline in the tank.

those little critters will eat and poo as well but they cant if you dont let them reproduce and do what they were meant to do.

the most abundant sources of food for the lowest forms of life in the ocean is phyto and doc. skimmers are very good at getting those in your cup. without those, you retard zooplankton's growth and require a refugium with macroalgae.

it takes a while to rebalance a system if you pull a skimmer but the benefits are enormous.

just keep the substrate clean of debris, deep sand bed in an isolated section of the tank (chamber one is fine) with live rock. if you see stuff creeping up use chamber 2 for the fuge and throw in macro algae. chamber 3 is always the sponge u clean weekly for bits and pieces you dont want to decay.

ive seen detritus DISSOLVE in chamber 1. like there is nothing to vaccuum. you got a ton of life waiting to clean that tank and your overpriced bubbler that you sniff each time you empty it is making you think you prevented a tank crash.

if you need a lil help here and there dose seachem stability or
mb7. they knock down trates a bit. otherwise you need to be a more proactive and add bacteria colonization with matrix or more lr.

tbh. each system is unique and i could not advise you. just give you my method.

i change 10 gallons of water a month and that is to vacuum the sb in my dt. my total volume is 300+ gallons

I am a chemical engineer, so i understand what a skimmer is and isn't doing. I know it's not removing nitrates, it's removing things before they can break down into nitrates. I also understand that they remove photo and other microorganisms, as I designed a froth flotation column that would be used for concentrating algae to made into biodiesel. I always figured the benefits out weighed the costs.

I wouldn't be opposed to trying a large skimmerless approach and comparing it to my current system. No way I would try it on my established sps system without seeing consistent proof and probably trying it myself on a different system

 

[Mark9]

It's been awhile since I enjoyed a thread as much as i've enjoyed this one.
Thanks OP, liquidg, CStrickland, CHSUB, ericarenee and anyone else who has contributed.

 

[ericarenee]

It's been awhile since I enjoyed a thread as much as i've enjoyed this one.
Thanks OP, liquidg, CStrickland, CHSUB, ericarenee and anyone else who has contributed.

Thanks.. I am just waiting for a "Dry Zone" Diy Built instructions.. I have my Acrylic Acrylic Solvent... My Router table , Table saw, Miter saw, Clamps, And Everything else in my Garage, wood shop Sitting in limbo to be the 2nd in the world with a Dry Zone Marine Environment....
But i am so very said that i just spend 500.00 on a new Skimmer that I should not use....

I to believe a skimmer-less tank can be done. I can lower my Fish numbers Tripple my Fuge... and Do more water changes...

For now i think i will stick with the Skimmer and I love my FIshies.

 

[Mark9]

It was actually more then 30 years to get to where you are not, ...

Thank you for the insult, but personally, I didn't think i did too bad.
A dry area may have put me over the top.

 

[CHSUB]

Thanks.. I am just waiting for a "Dry Zone" Diy Built instructions.. I have my Acrylic Acrylic Solvent... My Router table , Table saw, Miter saw, Clamps, And Everything else in my Garage, wood shop Sitting in limbo to be the 2nd in the world with a Dry Zone Marine Environment....
But i am so very said that i just spend 500.00 on a new Skimmer that I should not use....

I to believe a skimmer-less tank can be done. I can lower my Fish numbers Tripple my Fuge... and Do more water changes...

For now i think i will stick with the Skimmer and I love my FIshies.

I wouldn't hold your breather for the "œdry zone" filter as patents are pending and millions of dollars are at stake!!! I'm more interested in the special "œimport" algae used, as I believe it's the same used by NASA to colonize Mars; or the "œdouble" secret caulerpa algae used. I laugh when I see people use their silly LFS setups and wonder why they waste their money? Why not do it like the Ocean does it? I'm still learning this very advanced system myself and hopefully the "œArchitect" will "œdumb in down" more so the rest of the sheep can understand it to? I know he tried, but being that it's not "œmainstream" most are simply too stupid to understand.

 

[ericarenee]

I wouldn't hold your breather for the "œdry zone" filter as patents are pending and millions of dollars are at stake!!! I'm more interested in the special "œimport" algae used, as I believe it's the same used by NASA to colonize Mars; or the "œdouble" secret caulerpa algae used. I laugh when I see people use their silly LFS setups and wonder why they waste their money? Why not do it like the Ocean does it? I'm still learning this very advanced system myself and hopefully the "œArchitect" will "œdumb in down" more so the rest of the sheep can understand it to? I know he tried, but being that it's not "œmainstream" most are simply too stupid to understand.

OMG Thank you so much . My Face was turning Blue and my eye site was leaving me....But Thankfully between your post above and my Need to go check my Skimmer to smell my Clown fish poo...(do not ask).I Was revived.

On Topic Sorta.

OHH I GOT Nothing as I just do what the experts "Well i thought so until now" Has been doing for as long as i can remember and unfortunately has been too long for me to care to discuss.... OK Time to go lock the Garage up and take a Bath NO DIY Built today.. Just gotta install my New OVER POWERED Reeflo hammer head when ups gets here.. I AM GOING To add another 60 or so gallon FUGE To my system and connect the pond next to display to the main sump to eliminate its sump and equipment.
Only The Best For Mrs Mingi . the Vlamingi tang.

 

[Jrambo88]

They were both very eager before to post in this thread.....why have they been silent for so long. I'm really curious on seeing their actual set ups and explaining their methods in detail. Which apparently no one will be able to understand, for which I respond thank God for google.

 

[Swensos]

Well, that was fun. I almost posted Michael Jackson eating popcorn.

So did we decide that LPS is easier unless you're some kind of wizard that can recreate an ocean biosphere in his or her house?

 

[ericarenee]

Well, that was fun. I almost posted Michael Jackson eating popcorn.

So did we decide that LPS is easier unless you're some kind of wizard that can recreate an ocean biosphere in his or her house?

I am goddess of my tank

 

[MrZoa]

lps easier

 

[Sgt Jonny Cat]

Post a video of that tank and filter system...I'd like to see it!!

 

[CHSUB]

Well, that was fun. I almost posted Michael Jackson eating popcorn.

So did we decide that LPS is easier unless you're some kind of wizard that can recreate an ocean biosphere in his or her house?

ocean biosphere notwithstanding:lolspin:!!!

my tank is more setup for sps' and i find torches and hammers difficult because of greater flow in my tank, however acans and a like do well.

 

[Perth_reefer]

Thank you for the insult, but personally, I didn't think i did too bad.
A dry area may have put me over the top.

I wouldn't be insulted, IMO your tank is better looking than the one from Liquidg, not sure how long yours has been going but imagine what it would look like after 30 years with your current standard!!

My bottom tank with a $98 led light and no skimmer and no water changes for near 2 years, it was lots of work but sps is very easy.