Which is easier lps or sps?

[RussIV]

skimmer or no skimmer, one can have a successful reef. however, to suggested that a skimmer is like adding tetracycline to your reef is idiotic!!!

nevertheless, a "dry zone" is a million dollar idea!!!:blown:

we all have our opinions. this is my old 220. same setup.
gfo, chiller, refugium chambers,ats
im enjoying the laughs though

if you think im the 1 in a million just check youtube. most of us did that carbon dosing, skimmer, etc and we all wind up in the same place. or just check these photos in this forum.

Yup I'm with you on that point.

youngins need some teaching up

I am a chemical engineer, so i understand what a skimmer is and isn't doing. I know it's not removing nitrates, it's removing things before they can break down into nitrates. I also understand that they remove photo and other microorganisms, as I designed a froth flotation column that would be used for concentrating algae to made into biodiesel. I always figured the benefits out weighed the costs.

I wouldn't be opposed to trying a large skimmerless approach and comparing it to my current system. No way I would try it on my established sps system without seeing consistent proof and probably trying it myself on a different system

yeah if you already are skimmered. you got a 3 month lag before it naturalizes. least it took that long in my 220 when i stopped with the nonsense.

better you do what you do. if it works, great. to me, its a placebo for newbs.

 

[CHSUB]

we all have our opinions. this is my old 220. same setup.
gfo, chiller, refugium chambers,ats
im enjoying the laughs though

if you think im the 1 in a million just check youtube. most of us did that carbon dosing, skimmer, etc and we all wind up in the same place. or just check these photos in this forum.



youngins need some teaching up ;)



yeah if you already are skimmered. you got a 3 month lag before it naturalizes. least it took that long in my 220 when i stopped with the nonsense.

better you do what you do. if it works, great. to me, its a placebo for newbs.[/QUOTE]

there is many different ways to run a reef tank, i've seen great reefs run many different ways. however, when someone suggests their way is the "best" it's a bit arrogant imo; whether the result are great or not. Having confidence in your methods is great, but disparaging others methods is not. i've done it both ways, with and without skimmers; and i perfer skimmers. Nevertheless, i'm not going to say your way is wrong.

here is my tank from around 2000: bioballs, chiller, 2 part dosing, 175 watt MH 10k!

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[RussIV]

there is many different ways to run a reef tank, i've seen great reefs run many different ways. however, when someone suggests their way is the "best" it's a bit arrogant imo; whether the result are great or not. Having confidence in your methods is great, but disparaging others methods is not. i've done it both ways, with and without skimmers; and i perfer skimmers. Nevertheless, i'm not going to say your way is wrong.

here is my tank from around 2000: bioballs, chiller, 2 part dosing, 175 watt MH 10k!

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yup. seen many tanks. many setups.

the bubbler. is overrated. i think a few years ago people were trying to sell off "dwell time" for a homegenous media such as h20. idk. after a while you hear it all.

i dose potassium nitrate. thats how i keep 2-5 ppm.
now when you have to dose nitrate. we can talk

nice tank btw

 

[CHSUB]

yup. seen many tanks. many setups.

the bubbler. is overrated. i think a few years ago people were trying to sell off "dwell time" for a homegenous media such as h20. idk. after a while you hear it all.

i dose potassium nitrate. thats how i keep 2-5 ppm.
now when you have to dose nitrate. we can talk

nice tank btw

I dose po4. that's how i keep ~.006 ppm on a Hanna Checker.
now when you have to dose phosphates. we can talk too

thanks for the accolades, however, my new tank with a "particle suspender" is few superior!!!!

 

[ericarenee]

"particle suspender"!!!

:deadhorse:


Did you get the Big WHAMMY PS24000IAM MODEL Or the cheaper ps22000IAC

Mine is on Back Order and will ship jan 32nd years 3042.. Please let me know who your connection is to get mine shipped sooner..


I Too agree there is not one Right way.As well as NO Two tanks act alike

 

[Jrambo88]

RussIV is posting pictures of old setups. Why not show us your current? With pictures of your guts of the tank too. Also man you're so cool to call a skimmer a bubbler and you have to dose nitrates. Man I wish I was you.

 

[CStrickland]

RussIV is posting pictures of old setups.

I don't think it's even his tank. When he posted the pic I image searched it, and it was posted on another forum in a skimmer-less tank thread with the following

I've been maintaining a tank for the past 2.5 years that is nothing more than live rock, sand, light, flow and a heater. Small sump for the heater, a small fuge and a return area, no socks. The nutrient export is me, every week a 25% water change. It's not how I do my personal tank, but it's how he wants his tank taken care of and I cannot argue with him. His tank usually (always) looks better than mine... haha! However, I've noticed that acclimation is more important to watch on his tank vs my tank. Does this mean anything on this subject, who knows.

I wasn't gonna bump this nonsense thread just to point that out, but there ya go. I guess he's not technically lying, but he is being shady, and rude.
As far as I'm concerned, when he learns some manners, then we can talk

 

[RussIV]

I don't think it's even his tank. When he posted the pic I image searched it, and it was posted on another forum in a skimmer-less tank thread with the following


I wasn't gonna bump this nonsense thread just to point that out, but there ya go. I guess he's not technically lying, but he is being shady, and rude.
As far as I'm concerned, when he learns some manners, then we can talk

sorry. didn't know i was supposed to be in just one forum. yup. still skimmerless after all these years.

keep the bumps going.

I dose po4. that's how i keep ~.006 ppm on a Hanna Checker.
now when you have to dose phosphates. we can talk too

thanks for the accolades, however, my new tank with a "particle suspender" is few superior!!!!

i "can" dose po4, however i like to keep downward pressure on it by not doing so. phosphates can enter the system already and corals dont need much of it.

RussIV is posting pictures of old setups. Why not show us your current? With pictures of your guts of the tank too. Also man you're so cool to call a skimmer a bubbler and you have to dose nitrates. Man I wish I was you.

my new setup is in it's infancy. it wont show anything of relevance for a while. also, it being quite large, it will take longer than lets say a 55 gallon setup to fill in. i dont buy entire colonies unless of specific species.

 

[CStrickland]

sorry. didn't know i was supposed to be in just one forum.

Post in as many forums as you want, just try to keep your stories straight.

this is my old 220

It's not how I do my personal tank, but it's how he wants his tank taken care of and I cannot argue with him.

 

[RussIV]

Post in as many forums as you want, just try to keep your stories straight.

i have never advocated someone doing something different in their tank. i can state my opinion on certain hardware. ive even stated such in prior responses in this thread, that there is a detriment to changing your setup and lag times that can be critical to the tank's inhabitants.

i also played with carbon dosing, pellets and the like as well. im not advocating anyone pull those. hell it is your tank. but ime i didnt get anything out of it.

try not to be so sensitive.

you can keep sps without the bubbler

 

[CHSUB]

i have never advocated someone doing something different in their tank. i can state my opinion on certain hardware. ive even stated such in prior responses in this thread, that there is a detriment to changing your setup and lag times that can be critical to the tank's inhabitants.

i also played with carbon dosing, pellets and the like as well. im not advocating anyone pull those. hell it is your tank. but ime i didnt get anything out of it.

try not to be so sensitive.

you can keep sps without the bubbler

RussIV, imo, you should start your own thread in the Advanced Topics Forum and discuss skimmerless systems. Despite being a huge "Gas Bag" you do have some valid points, and i say that with "all do respect":lolspin:.

in my current system only 1/2 the water that enters my overflow gets skimmed and mechanically filtered, the other half goes to my fug and is returned to the DT unskimmed and unfiltered as imo skimmers remove some "good" with the bad.

 

[Perth_reefer]

Was watching a video from Mike Paletta today who is probably the USAs best known reef keeper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxqxvI77P64

He has one of the most amazing reefs I've ever seen and about 3 minutes into the video he shows the equipment needed to keep such a successful reef. Really weird but there was a huge 'bubbler' in the sump! Mike has been keeping reefs for 30+ years, turns out skimmers aren't just for newbies after all!!
When it comes to taking advice from a reef keeper, I'll always listen to this guys methods.

 

[Mark9]

I'm pretty sure liquidg has abandoned this thread, which is sad .

 

[RussIV]

Was watching a video from Mike Paletta today who is probably the USAs best known reef keeper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxqxvI77P64

He has one of the most amazing reefs I've ever seen and about 3 minutes into the video he shows the equipment needed to keep such a successful reef. Really weird but there was a huge 'bubbler' in the sump! Mike has been keeping reefs for 30+ years, turns out skimmers aren't just for newbies after all!!
When it comes to taking advice from a reef keeper, I'll always listen to this guys methods.

I've seen some pretty kick butt tanks with a skimmer.
I've also seen kick butt tanks without.

i think this is delving in to a more experienced topic though. At the end of the day, you cannot state a skimmer solely makes or breaks a beautiful reef tank.

id be happy to delve in to it further but i think we have derailed the op's thread enough.

on a side note. if you dont have a handle on the hobby, i DO suggest a skimmer.

 

[Mark9]

on a side note. if you dont have a handle on the hobby, i DO suggest a skimmer.

Ouch!

 

[CStrickland]

lol

 

[Perth_reefer]

on a side note. if you dont have a handle on the hobby, i DO suggest a skimmer.

So Mike Paletta doesn't have a handle on the hobby.......you should tell him that next time you're invited to speak at MACNA!!!

 

[sandtrap]

My bottom tank with a $98 led light and no skimmer and no water changes for near 2 years, it was lots of work but sps is very easy.

That looks great!

 

[sandtrap]

So sps is easier? LOL this is one of the wildest thread derailments I've seen in a while.

 

[hart24601]

I would say they are about the same. I think SPS are easier, but then you have things like RTN which suck with old large colonies. But in the grand scheme of things really we shouldn't be just lumping stony coral into either SPS or LPS and then trying to give blanket advise based off that hobby description. The terms SPS and LPS don't mean anything other than to this hobby.

But why bother with that when someone can post something off the wall and we can all jump on and smash him!!