Who has tried massive FWE vs AEFW? Camel/dancing shrimp?

[ostrow]

I hear hints and rumors of people using Flatworm Exit at 20x strength or higher as an in-tank attack on AEFW, and having some success.

But I've seen no threads.

Has anyone done this, or know others who have done so (if the latter, please have them report success or failure here).

What about the camel shrimp? Interested in who has had and who has not had success with them, and instances of them just eating the coral. Again, I hear reports on both sides but find no focused threads.

Here's hoping this opens a thread that can help many make informed decisions.

 

[somethingphishy]

dont think you will find many people have dosed larger tanks with fwe due to the cost....one box of fwe is approx $20 and treats up to 300g....so even for a smaller tank at 20x the doses needed the cost is high....i only ever read about the 20x fwe for someone adding it to a small amount of water (like a gallon) with an aefw that was removed from his tank....he continued to add fwe until it died to get that number

what is the total water volume ur attempting to treat?

 

[Piper27]

I would hate to see what happens adding that much FWE to a tank. I used it for some flatworms a few times and all the starfish and bristle worms and such were floating around on the bottom. I think the all lived but multiply that and I would think they would die. I had AEFW in Jan and not sure if I got rid of them all or not. I found two last month, they seem to only like the validia. I have just been dipping when I see a colony with symptoms, and by now I can catch it before there is much damage at all. Hopefully they are all gone though.

 

[ostrow]

155 display, 275 total system water. Removal of corals not possible.

The rumors are 20X. I think people have treated at between 5x and 10x. But still.

I've used FWE normal before with no ill-effects on stars, snails or worms and never heard of anyone having issues with them at normal dose. At higher, I wonder if my DSB would be at risk though.

 

[NatureNerd]

Okay, my experience is not directly applicable but I will add a warning. I had a very healthy SPS reef and discovered RB's. I used interceptor, yes I know it is a different drug, and I used quite a bit more than the recommended dose.

My DSB had far more large worms and other fauna than I knew. These perished and the resulting ammonia spike destroyed 80% of my corals and started a tank crash. Even daily large water changes could not save things.

Bottom line... be careful.

 

[Atomikk]

Okay, my experience is not directly applicable but I will add a warning. I had a very healthy SPS reef and discovered RB's. I used interceptor, yes I know it is a different drug, and I used quite a bit more than the recommended dose.

My DSB had far more large worms and other fauna than I knew. These perished and the resulting ammonia spike destroyed 80% of my corals and started a tank crash. Even daily large water changes could not save things.

Bottom line... be careful.

You probably have a small tank and small total volume of water. Interceptor is as safe as it can be. Apparently the potency of its active ingredient diminishes exponentially. So you can technically leave it in forever. I have used it many times in my system of nearly 600gal of water without issue.

 

[ryanrid]

i triple dosed FWE a while back and it crashed the tank...same happened for a mate.

 

[ostrow]

Well, as far as I'm concerned Interceptor is a huge mistake altogether. It's what set my system unstable -- should have let well enough alone. But that's OT here.

Back to the original question, please! FWE high dosing, and camel shrimp/cosmetus wrasse.

I'm getting wary of the FWE -- though at regular dose when I used it in the past all worms and pods were just fine.

 

[ostrow]

i triple dosed FWE a while back and it crashed the tank...same happened for a mate.

What were you trying to attack -- AEFW?

What was your method?

I've been advised to go 5x or more even, and leave in for 6hrs. After that, run massive carbon for a few hours then a 20% water change. I can do all of that.

 

[tmgrash]

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1951036&highlight=living+with+aefw

 

[ostrow]

Thanks Travis. Very familiar with that thread. Thanks for posting.

The problem for me with basting or an MJ is access to all the areas of the tank where corals reside, it's basically impossible if you look at the pics in my tank threads you'll see why. That, and the drawback of adding that weekly hour of work to my schedule - it's just not in the cards.

I think the massive FWE approach would destroy my sandbed and crash my tank. So I may go the camel shrimp and cosmetus wrasse, if the latter can be found anywhere.

Still would like reports from folks who have tried THESE methods.

 

[tmgrash]

Thanks Travis. Very familiar with that thread. Thanks for posting.

The problem for me with basting or an MJ is access to all the areas of the tank where corals reside, it's basically impossible if you look at the pics in my tank threads you'll see why. That, and the drawback of adding that weekly hour of work to my schedule - it's just not in the cards.

I think the massive FWE approach would destroy my sandbed and crash my tank. So I may go the camel shrimp and cosmetus wrasse, if the latter can be found anywhere.

Still would like reports from folks who have tried THESE methods.

Melanarus is a good wrasse for this as well as Solarensis. I would get a variety of wrasses (wait, I did get a variety of wrasses), the more the merrier. Their a great species anyhow. I see them hunting the bases of my acros. I believe my mandarin hunts critters around the bases of my corals as well. I bought a bunch of wrasses and basted and currently can find zero evidence of aefw.:fun2:

 

[ostrow]

Funny. I have a solarensis and 2 radiants. And a multicolored lubbocks. None of them go near the acros (though the monti nudis beware the radiants!) My mandarin also doesn't go near the acros.

But love wrasses so if I can find a cosmetus that would be cool.

 

[ryanrid]

What were you trying to attack -- AEFW?

What was your method?

I've been advised to go 5x or more even, and leave in for 6hrs. After that, run massive carbon for a few hours then a 20% water change. I can do all of that.

was targeting AEFW
triple dosage left for 6-8hrs, did a 20% WC and ran massive fresh carbon = fail

 

[NatureNerd]

You probably have a small tank and small total volume of water. Interceptor is as safe as it can be. Apparently the potency of its active ingredient diminishes exponentially. So you can technically leave it in forever. I have used it many times in my system of nearly 600gal of water without issue.

You are right, relatively speaking, 75g tank, about 80g water (25g sump and LR displacement. After my "over dose", dozens of 4" to 6" long bristle worms came out of the rock and sand. They died fairly quickly, 15 minutes or so. I syphoned out all I could find but there were many I could not get to. My tank is not average in that it was setup for about 12 years before this event. From beautiful to a death box in 36 hours.