highquality
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Im trying to decide whether to get a Phosphate sponge or get a phosban reactor. any suggestion?
Who uses a Phosban Reactor?
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fittdog8848
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I really like my reactor. Really easy to use and change media out.
dj synystr
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i love my reactor no phosphates since its been in. change it once a month or so.
highquality
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what is it run off of? what kind of media?
monsterReef
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check out new Warner Marine PHOSAR, GFO in pellets, no reactor required...
http://www.warnermarine.com/phosar.htm
Works great in a bag... and works even better in a reactor for me. With the old stuff I had my reactor pump throttled back and with PHOSAR I can turn up my water flow, the pellets tumble and don't fly out at flow rates impossible with the granular stuff.
http://www.warnermarine.com/phosar.htm
Works great in a bag... and works even better in a reactor for me. With the old stuff I had my reactor pump throttled back and with PHOSAR I can turn up my water flow, the pellets tumble and don't fly out at flow rates impossible with the granular stuff.
highquality
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reactor it is and ill try some pellets. are they all about the same? TLF ?
Warner Marine
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The product is a pelleted form of Ferric Oxide, NSF graded and approved.
badpacket
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Hi Warner Marine. Are you going to send Randy from the Chemistry Forum some too test? I think a lot of people might have questions as too how much Phosphate the larger pellets will adsorb compared to the smaller stuff with much greater suface area.
Also, do you know what the mechanics of phosphate movement within the pellet it? I can see the outer edges adsorbing phosphate that comes into contact with it, but then does it continue to get pulled to the center of the pellet, or does it reach a certain depth and then migrate no more?
If it is less effective than Rowaphos, etc, as long as it is in the vicinity as far as removal is concerned, it would be real nice to be able to just throw it in some HOT Aquaclear or something.
Hope to read you response.
Also, do you know what the mechanics of phosphate movement within the pellet it? I can see the outer edges adsorbing phosphate that comes into contact with it, but then does it continue to get pulled to the center of the pellet, or does it reach a certain depth and then migrate no more?
If it is less effective than Rowaphos, etc, as long as it is in the vicinity as far as removal is concerned, it would be real nice to be able to just throw it in some HOT Aquaclear or something.
Hope to read you response.
Warner Marine
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Hello Badpacket,
PHOSaR was engineered, designed and manufactured to be an improved media compared to earlier generation GFO products including Granular media.
The PHOSaR pellet has a more uniform and sharper pore structure compared to the Granular form. This material was developed to address the weaknesses of the Granular form.
And as to surface area affecting adsorption, this is not granular Activated Carbon. The adsorption characteristics for PHOSaR are completely different compared to the large DOC molecules adsorped by GAC.
Pelletized PHOSaR and Granular media have the SAME capacity (to remove Phosphate, Arsenic and Silicates) per weight, but the pelletized PHOSaR allows a drop in pressure across the media bed which means MORE WATER flows THROUGH PHOSaR, not AROUND it. And if used in a Fluidized Media Reactor, PHOSaR is still superior to Granular Media as the pelletized media is more prone to tumble and spin and will allow more water flow through the reactor itself. In addition, the pelletized media is more robust, resistant to grinding itself to powder at higher water flow rates in a Fluidized Media Reactor.
PHOSaR is more FLEXIBLE, in that it can be used in more applications. PHOSaR pulls down Phosphates FASTER than Granular Media in the real world because more water will flow THROUGH it and not around it. PHOSaR is easier to rinse (if you so wish, RO/DI only please) and less dusty. And of course, PHOSaR doesn't stain water like the GFH product from Europe.
And I certainly hope that RANDY tests PHOSaR in his upcoming article. PHOSaR is the next evolutionary step in GFO products and to omit it would be ignoring the elephant in the room, so to speak.
If you or anyone else would like the raw material engineering data that conclusively proves PHOSaR's superiority, please email me at jon@warnermarine.com
Best Wishes,
Jon Warner
Warner Marine
PHOSaR was engineered, designed and manufactured to be an improved media compared to earlier generation GFO products including Granular media.
The PHOSaR pellet has a more uniform and sharper pore structure compared to the Granular form. This material was developed to address the weaknesses of the Granular form.
And as to surface area affecting adsorption, this is not granular Activated Carbon. The adsorption characteristics for PHOSaR are completely different compared to the large DOC molecules adsorped by GAC.
Pelletized PHOSaR and Granular media have the SAME capacity (to remove Phosphate, Arsenic and Silicates) per weight, but the pelletized PHOSaR allows a drop in pressure across the media bed which means MORE WATER flows THROUGH PHOSaR, not AROUND it. And if used in a Fluidized Media Reactor, PHOSaR is still superior to Granular Media as the pelletized media is more prone to tumble and spin and will allow more water flow through the reactor itself. In addition, the pelletized media is more robust, resistant to grinding itself to powder at higher water flow rates in a Fluidized Media Reactor.
PHOSaR is more FLEXIBLE, in that it can be used in more applications. PHOSaR pulls down Phosphates FASTER than Granular Media in the real world because more water will flow THROUGH it and not around it. PHOSaR is easier to rinse (if you so wish, RO/DI only please) and less dusty. And of course, PHOSaR doesn't stain water like the GFH product from Europe.
And I certainly hope that RANDY tests PHOSaR in his upcoming article. PHOSaR is the next evolutionary step in GFO products and to omit it would be ignoring the elephant in the room, so to speak.
If you or anyone else would like the raw material engineering data that conclusively proves PHOSaR's superiority, please email me at jon@warnermarine.com
Best Wishes,
Jon Warner
Warner Marine
LobsterOfJustice
Recovering Detritophobe
I love my TLF reactor, I have one to run carbon and one to run phosban. I might check out this pellet stuff next time I have to change it out.
Speckled Grouper
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Jon, is PHOSaR available for purchase yet? You listed Champion Lighting and Custom Aquatic as dealers, but I couldn't find it on either of their websites.
Warner Marine
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They simply haven't added it to their dbase yet. Just call them and ask. Champion has it "in stock" ready to ship and Custom Aquatic and others will soon. Numerous retail stores already have it too or can order it of course.
Best Wishes,
Jon Warner
Warner Marine
I run a TLF reactor with Rowaphos. I know very well that it works because I get an ugly diatom bloom when the media expires.
John,
Very interesting reading with regards to your product. I think the number one reason that people like me use Rowaphos is due to the lack of leeching phosphates when the media is used up. Since I don't want to hijack this persons thread with a hundred questions, could you send me a PM with some more info?
John,
Very interesting reading with regards to your product. I think the number one reason that people like me use Rowaphos is due to the lack of leeching phosphates when the media is used up. Since I don't want to hijack this persons thread with a hundred questions, could you send me a PM with some more info?
highquality
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I just got two of thw TLF 150 phosban reactors. It says you can use a maxi jet 500, but I dont have one around and want to get the tlf running quickly. what do you guys suggest? split of another pump? how will i know how much water is going thru?
geo*SanAnto
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you can split it off another pump, just be sure to run a ball valve or similar to regulate the flow.HTH
highquality
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what would you gauhe the flow? whether to use more or less? will the stuff fly out with to much flow and thats how you tell.? can you use to much and be a bad thing?
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