who will get the centropyge narcosis...
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just because some species are difficult to sight does not make them endangered...still they should be numbered in thousands in guess...there are miles of rockworks and holes to explore and divers usually spend 10-15 min at the preferred spot at most...they scavenge whatever they get in that period and then start hours of decompression..rufus can explain it properly i guess..
even a yearly 10-15 specimens collection won't make any effect..
Yurivd
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I think thy are already protected by there depth
stunreefer
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Dream dive, enjoy John!On a related note my first trip with my new underwater camera rig (yes, another inexpensive hobby:fun4is to dive this winter in southern Japan with Koji for a few days... hoping to see interrupta in the wild for the first time... water temp will be 20 Celcius... air temp 10 Celcius... I'm going to be kicking it like those Japanese baboons in the hot springs... :rollface:
Copps
copps
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Always new stuff going on... I won't derail the topic here though... thanks!
Hey Wayne, I've kept so many cooler water fish and noticed the trends... to the point where now I look to NATURE as my guide... if a fish is found cool in the wild (or cool for part of the year) instead of people that say hey "this guy has kept one at X temp for X number of months/ years". What I've noticed is that many of these fish could take higher temps in the short term... but the prolonged high temps throughout the year has it's effects... but it is tough to quantify, and its only something I've noticed over decades of fish keeping and keeping so many fish... keeping things warmer is not a sure plan for disaster, but problems arise much more... keeping many of my fish cool now has resulted in so much more long term success...
Regardless of what has been said of Frank, I can guarantee he is on board with the temperature thing, and while he may say certain fish could take higher temps, he would for sure recommend the natural cooler temps...
It's funny, I've had pairs of the two closest relatives of both the peppermint and the narcosis... C. colini and C. multifasciata... Seeing the first wild video of narcosis is amazing... they act just like my colini! I've had my spawning colini pair since 2006... the pair originally collected in Fiji I received then from Frank Baensch after he spawned them at RCT. For years I kept them in a separate smaller system, then finally about three or four years ago I put them in my large reef, and they thrive. The male colini has DOMINATED the multifasciata pair... so I would say that narcosis is probably a bit better suited to rough and tumble than a boylei... but in my opinion these are not weak species like many people say they are just because they are from the deep... I watched for a while the newly added Centropyge abei on display at Waikiki years ago square off and hold its own with a flame angel in the same exhibit... Why have they gotten a reputation as being weak? While there are a few reasons, the top of the list in my opinion is temperature! The same reason bandit angels were called weak... because for years they were kept warm and broke down... just like the original peppermints... I've had my bandit pair cool for years now and they are bulletproof... a big difference from the ones I kept years back when people were saying they should be left in the ocean!
You are taking what Rufus said WAY out of context.
These species are not Holacanthus limbaughi or Centropyge nahackyi... relatively shallow water species with extremely limited distributions... for those there would be a worry of overcollection... fortunately the isolation that is the reason their species came about is the same isolation that keeps them far away from collectors (well... MOST collectors
)The second locale that narcosis was found after Rarotonga was at Rangiroa in the Tuamotu Islands of French Polynesia, ONE THOUSAND miles away, with many islands in between... then boylei was also found there... these species are perhaps THE SAFEST... far more so than the yellow tang for example... just like abei they are probably as widespread as many of the common species of Centropyge we know in the industry well...
In the thousands? No chance... in the millions at least for sure!
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fishkid6692
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john, check your pm's!
geaux xman
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post #31?
lemonpeel juvie.
nevermind, you are probably talking about post #30.
i guess some aberrant/hybrid.
lemonpeel juvie.
nevermind, you are probably talking about post #30.
i guess some aberrant/hybrid.
geaux xman
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Its on DD. Heraldi variant.
http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/ItemDisplay.cfm?c=2733+3&ddid=156718
http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/ItemDisplay.cfm?c=2733+3&ddid=156718
Variant? Hmm, that is definitely different from the other C. heraldi variant I have a pic of ( in Vol. III Reef Fishes. Angelfish & Butterflyfish.). So this would be similar to 'Woodhousei" I guess.
The black trim is absolutely unique!
However, back to C. narcosis. LOL
Sincerely,
Matthew
The black trim is absolutely unique!
However, back to C. narcosis. LOL
Sincerely,
Matthew
freedive43
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The juvenile narcossis looks like a juvenile lemonpeel. It also has a blue ringed eyespot that faded as it turns into an adult. Im not sure, but I think I may have the only photo of a juvenile narcossis angel (unfortunately it was post mortem)...
copps
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Sorry for chiming in late here... the simple answer is I do not know... my inklings are that it is a variant of the Fijian "heraldi"... whatever the Fijian heraldi is... if this fish is much different genetically then I'd bet that all of the Fijian heraldi are...
As I sat there wondering, I bought the fish from the DD... I have it in QT now and will chop a piece of its tail fin for DNA analysis after I take a shot or two this weekend... :celeb1:
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humaguy
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Isn't the fish very, very similar to the one Walt Smith had and recently sent off for DNA testing?
Thought was it was perhaps a new species??
Thanks again Copps...
copps
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Yes... mine was caught by Tony Nahackyi... the other big collector/exporter in Fiji... it does not make sense that it would be a new species, as these are variants sprinkled amongst the "normal" heraldi population... if it is a new species, then in my opinion all of these Fiji heraldi will be. We will see...
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