Who's dosing vodka? And why?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14631862#post14631862 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Genetics
It was UltraLife Slime Remover. I used 0.4x the recommended dose for three days. Didn't affect anything other than the cyano but I did eventually find the cyano had returned to a new place in the tank. Still looking for an inhibitor I can add straight to the vodka.

Nate: did you notice any adverse effects relative to your bacterial population (i.e. NO3 or PO4 spike, ect)? I would like to try it but am concerned about killing off my bacteria (I do love them so :rolleye1: )

What is your best guess about what's in it? A targeted antibiotic perhaps? An enzyme?
 
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I started back on July 14, 2008 at 35ppm.

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14632452#post14632452 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by murraycamp
Nate: did you notice any adverse effects relative to your bacterial population (i.e. NO3 or PO4 spike, ect)? I would like to try it but am concerned about killing off my bacteria (I do love them so :rolleye1: )

What is your best guess about what's in it? A targeted antibiotic perhaps? An enzyme?


I'm not a huge fan of adding material to my tank that I have no concept of what it is. The box does not state it is an antibiotic. So I was under the assumption that it would not have a detrimental effect on bacterial populations. I would guess it is a mineral or protein that disrupts cyanomats but I honestly don't know.
 
ok... so it will take me forever! hahaha! im at 80+ nitrates! so most probably... longer than 8 months

ehehe
 
Nate: thank you - so you have confidence that it will not substantially affect the bacterial dynamics (all caveats accepted, of course)?

Pong: I saw an approx. 50 ppm reduction (in a net 25 system) in about 6 weeks.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14634764#post14634764 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pong
ok... so it will take me forever! hahaha! im at 80+ nitrates! so most probably... longer than 8 months

ehehe
It all depends on the size of your tank, I'm right with PRDubois 72gallon, it took 6 weeks to get it down to 10ppm, however it hasn't changed since.
 
mine is 140... looks like the vodka has an effect already... corals are more open substrate is way cleaner... algae is reduced
 
Murray, I don't think it will impact bacteria populations. Aside from my skimmer going crazy, which they recommend turning off, the cyano disappeared and then reappeared about 4wks later in a different spot within the tank.

Pong, I think you'll see some changes over the next few weeks. Most people have vodka controlling nitrates well at ~6wks. Sometimes it will take longer or shorter. In Marc's case it took 8 months, a new pump on a skimmer, and a new test kit to get to zero.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14637133#post14637133 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Genetics
Murray, I don't think it will impact bacteria populations. Aside from my skimmer going crazy, which they recommend turning off, the cyano disappeared and then reappeared about 4wks later in a different spot within the tank.

Thanks Nate. I'll try it and report back.
 
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General Update

I finally started my 55 gallon Upside Down Sand Bed (UDSB) tank. I’m wondering if anyone knows anything about dosing vodka into the inlet to the pump so that it is driven down into the plenum and then upward through the deep sand bed. It could foster lots of beneficial bacteria. It could also cause problems.

I believe that the UDSB may be running too fast. I am using 11 inches of coral gravel and sand but I may be using a pump that is too strong. I am unsure of proper contact time or the time that the water takes to travel through the bed.

As I mentioned before, the cloudiness in my tank did not subside much after I discontinued feeding and dosing for 4 days (again I am not skimming). After hooking up the UDSB, the tank became crystal clear right away. The bed became a huge mechanical filter.

Actually, I don’t want the UDSB to filter out the feed that I add to the tank nor do I want it to become a food trap. I will have to slow down the through flow rate or isolate this tank to allow the water to re-circulation through the bed over and over again and then pump a small amount of the UDSB water at a time, back into the main tank. Like the vodka, I don’t have the bed there to lower nutrient levels. Instead, I want it there to stabilize water chemistry through the dissolution of the sand.

I have not gotten any other changes to the tank yet. My pH in still stuck 8.2, despite additives. Calcium is at about 460. Everything else is good. The tank has not very populated and the nutrients all continue to run at zero. The one exception is that the phosphate reading popped up to .1 briefly, after a very heavy feeding but came right back down again.

Perhaps the scrubbing at the same time as dosing too much vodka may have run the tank too lean. When I had a mature scrubber running before, I sometimes over scrubbed by running the lights to the max time. When did that, I had to add fish fertilizer to keep things fed and clean as a swizzle. Now my nutrient numbers are great but I have some dye off of a little of the calcareous algae. Hopefully Marc shed some light onto my guess.

I have also noticed that before I stopped dosing, some of the white dead rock started turning deep green. It is not hair algae at all and it is not a slim. The snails graze over it but their passing does not change it at all. I never had this stuff before. It looks good but I want purple, not green.

Also, after holding back the dosing, the scrubber started to grow algae. This is something that I expected. I had my first harvest. It was a small one but its looking good. I guess that the V-bacteria were competing with the scrubber.

My dosing will have to be very strategic.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14637775#post14637775 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by murraycamp
Thanks Nate. I'll try it and report back.

I have Chemiclean and it says on the package safe for bacteria.
 
herring_fish - You might contact Julian Sprung for the sandbed data you seek. He did a good presentation on DSBs out our club's conference several years ago, and shared some time-lapse photography of how the sand moved. His video showed some dye'd sand that moved through the layers. It was very interesting, but I don't recall the duration. Maybe he's got your answer.

Glad to hear the clarity is up. That's good news.

You may be able to hook up some tubing to the inlet of your pump, and inject the vodka dose once a day like they inject medicine into IV drips for patients. Make sure your tubing is submerged so you don't venturi air into the pump. I'm thinking it could be capped, you lower the plastic syringe full of vodka under water and squirt it into the tubing, and wait a bit before capping it again. That way it venturis in with any surrounding water. However, one thought I have is that it may be too much at once. Maybe you can devise a slower system that is better suited for your needs.

Genetics - You left out that I'm rarely in a hurry to fix things in my tank, usually taking a slower approach than most. For the most part, that has worked in my reef's favor.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14638087#post14638087 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Paul_PSU
I have Chemiclean and it says on the package safe for bacteria.

But does it say it contains an antibiotic?

Genetics - You left out that I'm rarely in a hurry to fix things in my tank, usually taking a slower approach than most. For the most part, that has worked in my reef's favor.

I think in this hobby slow is definitely the best answer. But FWIW, I consider 6-8wks slow... :lol:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14639171#post14639171 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Genetics
But does it say it contains an antibiotic?

It says no erythromycin succinate so we're good.
 
not sure i needed to take take the vodka plunge, but i thought i'd give it a try. my NO3 was only 2ppm when i started dosing three days ago and while i didnt think i had any PO4, that was verified today upon me getting an elos PO4 test kit.... not even a hint of blue to it.

my question would be, since i am at nearly 0 NO3 and PO4 levels already with feeding my fish 5-6 times a day, should i just continue with the initial .4ml dose unless i get higher nutrient levels?

i will say the one immediate improvement from vodka dosing is immaculately, crystal clear water. that alone is enough for me to continue its use.
 
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