Wild Onyx Clownfish. Take 3

[BigJohnny]

The problem is that most tank raised clowns these days are outright garbage (deformities wise) and the last thing I would want is to create more of those. ORA is IMO one of the biggest offenders, I have not seen a single decent looking clownfish from them around here in the stores. Though others seem to be not much better
Add to that the designer clown castoffs that are often sold as "true percula", if not by the breeder then by uneducated or outright dishonest store personal.

If you want to breed fish that can be used as a reservoir or next generation broodstook you need fish of high quality and that haven't been tinkered with.
That pretty much only leaves wild caught of known origin.

I also don't think there is too much wild harvesting going on anymore as most clowns sold today are designer clowns and locally bred ones by hobbyists.
It is actually quite hard to find any wild clowns in stores (at least around here).

And in the wild they are by no means better of - see here: http://www.cathychurch.com/index.php/kissing-crowls

So I really don't get your point.

What you just said in no way addressed my point. I said your disrupting nature unnecessarily, you said wild are better for your purpose. 2 completely different discussions. Let's leave this one alone eh? Like I said before don't want us to hijack the thread.

 

[joshky]

I love your pair, hope you can keep their black. :thumbsup:

 

[CoralsAddiction]

I love your pair, hope you can keep their black. :thumbsup:

Thanks. Hope so too

 

[CoralsAddiction]

The light had just turned on and I snapped a quick pic with my phone.

 

[ThRoewer]

Really nice!
How big are they?

 

[CoralsAddiction]

Really nice!
How big are they?

Thanks. The little dude with a spot on his left cheek is about 1 and 3/4 inch. The other one is 2 inches.

 

[Dkuhlmann]

Absolutely beautiful pair.

 

[DasCamel]

In the ideal world, yes I would like for them to become a mated pair and raise their babies. Not for commercial purposes (too little money) but just to improve the breed standard as many of the tank raised clowns nowadays are ugly and deformed. Sort of like high quality dog breeders dedicated to improving dog breeds as opposed to puppy mills. Most today's hatcheries (at least locally here) seem to operate like puppy mills.

I can handle buying wild if the idea is to improve the captive gene pool. Otherwise, kind of a waste. Goodluck with the pairing, I'm currently in the process of doing it and breeding for a fun project with my daughters. Tank bred though, not sure how "good" my clowns really are. Let's see if it actually happens.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

I can handle buying wild if the idea is to improve the captive gene pool. Otherwise, kind of a waste. Goodluck with the pairing, I'm currently in the process of doing it and breeding for a fun project with my daughters. Tank bred though, not sure how "good" my clowns really are. Let's see if it actually happens.

Ha. Thanks. Have fun breeding nemos with your daughters
Also, next time you get a chance to visit Los Angeles check out some of our fish stores. When it comes down to clowns the ratio of captive bred to wild caught is 90% tank raised and 10% wild caught if not less. That's why I don't worry about it too much.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

Not very good news. The smaller clown is starting to exhibit early signs of brooklynella. It has the "skin peeling off" thing near his tail. I might give him a quick-ich X bath for an hour with increased dose to see if it helps. I might also consider separating the two clowns to at least save the larger clown that appears to be healthy.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

I just can't believe it's happening again.

 

[ocellaris123]

sorry to hear, dont give up though,

I had a female maroon who came down with brook, She was saved by doing freshwater and formalin baths.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

sorry to hear, dont give up though,

I had a female maroon who came down with brook, She was saved by doing freshwater and formalin baths.

Thanks for encouraging words buddy. I went to petco and picked up an aquarium kit with light light and heater. Next thing is to figure out how I want to handle this process"¦move the healthier clown to uninfected tank or use the new tank for the infected clown, what medications to use, etc. A plan of action will be ready by the end of the night.

 

[ThRoewer]

Treat both at the same time.
Also try to get straight 37% formalin like Formalin MS.
After the dip they have to go into a sterilized tank to prevent reinfection.
In the tank you may want to treat them with an antibiotic - Septra worked for me before.
Do your best to safe them.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

Well the white stuff that was on the clown is gone. I understand that brook is deadly and can progress quickly but because quick-ich X contains formaldehyde known to be effective against the parasite I decided not to take any drastic measures just yet. There is a chance the medication is helping and I don't want to disrupt the process or to induce more stress. The clown does not look as bad as my previous pairs I lost to brook and ate plenty of food yesterday. If either of them look worse tomorrow then I will take action. I already have an idea of what I would do in that case.
This is what he looked like a couple of hours ago. Looks a little better now. The small white spots are in between two wite bars (middle and near tail) I will try to upload a video in a bit.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

In the tank you may want to treat them with an antibiotic - Septra worked for me before.
Do your best to safe them.

Yes, I have read that brook can damage skin and cause secondary bacterial infection. I plan on treating them for infections as soon as it is practical. I have the medication for it but I can't add it to the tank just yet. I would like to continue treating them with quick-Ich X. That entails doing 30% water changes before daily dose of medication…which can interfere with anti-bacterial medication. Thanks.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

Here's a video I took 3-4 hours ago. You can see the white little patches toward the back of clown's body in between white bars. I thought the white stringy poop was due to clowns eating brine shrimp for the most part (diet) but that doesn't appear to be the case. Instead it's an indication of parasite infection. But the white stringy poop has disappeared and I am hoping the clowns' condition will improve.
https://youtu.be/en4zFYqVuKo

 

[ThRoewer]

The one looks definitely sick. I hope he pulls through.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

I added airstone and it has helped a little bit. Even in their sleep mode the clowns perked up a little and look better. The clown's breathing improved significantly. I thought that water breaking from my aqua clear 30 filter was sufficient but that was not the case. When formalin is involved aeration must be stronger. The treatment continues.

 

[DasCamel]

I've treated Brook a couple times last year, with multiple types of fish. Following the instructions of the Kordons products never worked well. Not sure what the best way is to procure 37% formalin that is high grade.

Both times what sealed the deal was Quick Cure from Wal Mart. I hate going to Wal Mart, but that product worked the best. I lost a few fish relying on the Kordon's products. Just be sure to treat as bath or dip with tank transfer. I followed the Chucks Addiction instructions to the letter.

What PPM and length of time have you been treating?