Will lowering temps cause stress?

natas

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My tank has been going from 81-83 for the past 2 weeks. I bought a chiller so here in a few days I am going to drop them temp down to around 76-79F.

Anyway, should I do this in a day automatically with the chiller, or should I do it gradually in a few days so I don't stress out my fish/coral?y
 
just drop the chiller down 1*F every couple of hours until you hit your desired temp... I'd keep it at 78 or 79. Don't have to space it out super long, just don't plumet the temp 5*F in one fell swoop.
 
this is something i never understood about aquariums... for freshwater or saltwater everyone acts like a 5 or 10 degree change over 30 minutes is going to kill, or at least upset everything... but honestly, have you ever swam in a river or the ocean... occasionally you will get a draft of FREEZING water, and occasionally you will get a draft of really warm water, that if it hit a coral or fish would be at least a 15 degree INSTANT change... why does everyone freak out about temperature so much?

PS- i'm not trying to be argumentative, just bringing up something i have always thought.
 
Personally I wouldn't reduce the temperature at all. Right now you're straddling the worldwide average for coral reefs and right around the thermal optima for most corals that have been studied. You're shooting for below the average wintertime low temperature. There's no advantage to that. You aren't currently near the upper limits for your animals and keeping the temperature lower doesn't actually provide you any more margin of error because of the way the animals respond to thermal stress. You're just shifting the stress threshold downwards as well.

If you're intent on changing the temperature I would lower it over the course of a week or two. While reef animals do regularly see short-period fluctuations without issue, the physiological response to them is different than to long-period changes in the average temperature. A 5 degree drop in the average is a big change.
 
The key to temp is stability. 79F is fine. The higher temps are OK too, but for only a few months....like they'd see in the ocean. A sustained, maintained higher temp will usually shorten the lifespan because it increases the metabolism of all involved. So, depending in the animals you have, too high a temp may or may not be a problem. Keep in mind that some fish and corals are used to the lower temp range and may suffer. The reason the 75-78F is touted, is that is is usually safe for most animals sold in the trade.

Whatever number you pick.....go for stablity.
 
If you want to be safe , let it go down 3 degrees or so every few hours. That is, turn on your chiller, let the temp drop a couple of degrees, then off for a few hours, then repeat.
 
I've been keeping my tank at ~78 F since reading Ultimate Marine Aquariums by Mike Paletta. Not that it's the end-all-be-all of reef keeping, but he profiles 50 successful tanks in his book and the average was a bit over 78 F. between that and the other recommendations I've received, I settled on 78 F.

Greenbean has presented some interesting points about temps recorded in the wild (other threads I've read recently) which contradict popular opinion and the 78 F I've settled on. I'm doing more reading and contemplating the wisdom of the green bean.
 
The key to temp is stability.
No. There is no evidence suggesting that fluctuations cause stress or are otherwise harmful to reef animals, nor would you expect them to be. Large, fast fluctuations are regular events on reefs at all depths where ornamentals are collected and these are the conditions our animals evolved in. Stability provides almost no benefit and in fact, may reduce their fitness.

The higher temps are OK too, but for only a few months....like they'd see in the ocean. A sustained, maintained higher temp will usually shorten the lifespan because it increases the metabolism of all involved.
Maintained high temperatures will shorten lifespans for animals with senescence that don't modulate their metabolism (which excludes a lot of the animals we keep). We're talking about normal temperatures though, which range into the mid 80s. There will be no appreciable difference in the lifespan of any of our animal over the range of average reef temps (77-86). It's also not necessarily true that higher temperatures increase metabolism in poikilotherms. It's a lot more complicated than that because they do modulate their metabolisms.

Keep in mind that some fish and corals are used to the lower temp range and may suffer. The reason the 75-78F is touted, is that is is usually safe for most animals sold in the trade.
There's no reason to believe that this is true either. We know the average range of reef temps and the overall yearly average (77-86 and 82 respectively). We also know the optima of many hard corals, which is 82-84 for most species. We also know the average temperature from the center of reef biodiversity (which is also where the heaviest ornamental collection is), which is 83-84. These temps are the ones that are safest for most animals in the trade. Few animals are coming from areas that are in the 70s year-round. There's nothing safer about exceeding the lower thermal limit of these animals than exceeding the upper limit. Both are sources of severe stress and whole reefs have been wiped out in extremely cold periods just as they are during extremely hot periods.

This also assumes that these animals have a set upper thermal limit, which isn't true. Their limits are set by acclimatization so there is no reason an animal coming from a 78 degree reef is any less suited to an 82 degree tank.

My "wisdom" on the issue is that people in the hobby have accepted that 78 is the ideal temperature, but very few stop to ask why that value was picked. For the most part it's based on faulty reasoning that came from a lack of data on the subject of metabolism and thermal stress in reef animals. Almost all of the data is from the last 5 years or so- much more recent than the suggestion of 78. That "ideal" temperature that was produced out of thin air has been a source of a lot of stress and wasted money for many hobbyists. People need to realize that there's nothing harmful or unnatural about temps in the low to mid 80s. If your temp naturally stays in the upper 70s, that's fine. Obviously reefs do quite well at those temperatures. However, if your temp naturally goes to the mid 80s that's fine too. There's no need to spend $300 on a chiller to lower it and you aren't doing your animals any favors by doing so, especially if the chiller fails or the power goes out.
 
I think its best to think about the natural ocean temperature during the year. In the summer, the ocean temperatures can be in the mid 80s so i don't think its much of an issue of the temp being between 78-81. IMO anyways.
Josh
 
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