worried about male bangaii cardinal

DevilBoy

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I am starting to get alittle worried about my male cardinal. i am about on day 22 of him holding his first clutch of eggs. i am unable to see any baby fry in his mouth, as when i approach the tank he turns on me and all i see is his tail fin. He is getting rather skinny since he has not eaten anything for 3 weeks. Should i be worried about his actions and not seeing any baby fry in his mouth?
 
Is his mouth still bulging out,I caught my male at day 21,you could see the fry really well.Set and watch him for awhile.The day I caught mine I seen 1 fry poke it's head out,I knew then he would release that afternoon or that night.
 
Yes his mouth is still bulging. I can't get close to the tank to see in his mouth when I do he turns and I just see his tail.
 
If your sure about the days,I would go ahead and catch him,I used a clear plastic container to run him in.As soon as I lift the container he would spit them out.At day 22 the fry should be ready.
 
In my experience, you must feed mostly high quality foods like enriched frozen or live feeder grass shrimp for them to spawn and successfully rear the eggs with good survival rates. Use a Red LED Head Lamp with all the lights and pumps off to see his mouth and also to catch him more easily. That's what I do. You can buy Brine Shrimp Eggs from brineshrimpdirect.com for a really cheap price. Good Luck. Here are my current babies at day 26.

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Started with 15, but down to 10 on day 12. Then there have been 10 ever since. A person on my local reef club said that day 13 is the hurdle point. After that it's smooth sailing... so to speak.
 
he is real close to spitting the little ones out, i was starting to see little heads and fins coming out of his mouth. His mouth is open wider then the last couple days.
 
I'd catch him and do a manual removal of the fry. I lost my first batch waiting for him to spit them out. Make sure he always stays in water while the fry are in his mouth. Use a cup after you net him.
 
Update:

He released the fry sometime last night with lights out. When I did my morning feeding I noticed he was eating and his mouth was back to normal. There was no fry to be found. So I am sure that they all were eaten thru the night.
 
The father usually will not eat his fry for 12-18 hours, so you should have enough time to remove him from the fry tank. This assumes he is solo in a fry tank before release. The timing of this seems to coincide with the first fish released, not the last one. Sometimes the fathers spit them all out in a few minutes, sometimes he takes his sweet time up to several hours releasing them all. If it takes him 12 hours to release them all, he becomes aggressive towards the fry pretty fast. I had one batch where papa took almost 14 hours to release them all (40 some...couldnt get an exact count) and he was chasing them within an hour. not trying to eat them yet, he still seemed to understand that they were not suppose to be food, but it wasn't going to be long before he started eating them. This is where the fry having cover is very important. They should have a place to go to hide. I use a fake plant that is weighted that has spacing between the 'branches' that is roughly the distance you would find on an urchin. The father almost always spits them out into these plants, and the babies seem to know to stay there until the father is gone.

Baby bangaii can be raised entirely on high quality frozen food. When I first started everyone said you had to feed them BBS, rotifers, etc... So I spent so much effort trying to feed them these types of things and I wound up with a 40% survival rate. Subsequent batches I have just focused on feeding them quality frozen foods that are shaved to their mouth size. The food is fed in a manner that they percieve it as moving. As long as the food is moving in a random pattern (I will let you figure out that part for yourself), they will strike it...sometimes eat it, sometimes not. Through frequency of feeding they quikckly adapt to eating froze food withing the first day or two.

I rarely have a loss in my broods anymore and I raise them with entirely frozen foods from first feed.

By 1 month they are eating small sized versions of exacly what the rest of my fish eat.
 
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