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[PUGroyale]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9992396#post9992396 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
Well, thats the difference between Clint and I. I dont think it right to charge "whatever i wanted" because some people would pay it, i charge a FAIR price for my services.

You just don't get it. You could charge "whatever you wanted" because you would be a rare commodity above all other attorneys... The finest in South Florida. Not just because people would pay it.

If you want an Acan Lord... you can find run-of-the-mill indo lords for cheap. If you want a one-of-a-kind morph from an area that was until just recently closed to all collection... you'll have to pay more. What's so hard to understand?

 

[sufunk]

I dont know, whats so hard to understand about chopping up a "one of a kind morph" head by head to sqeeze some extra profit being bad for our hobby???

 

[neyugn0w01]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9992429#post9992429 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ejocam
I am sure Clint is loving the free traffic to his website:lol:

I would

Eric,
First it was RM "Maxima" and now Clints "Aussie Lords". You need to step up your game.

 

[PUGroyale]

So he should just sell the whole piece for the typical LFS livestock mark-up rate of 400% and you'd be happy? I think you guessed the price might be $1500.00 per colony? So he could sell them whole for $7500.00 and you'd be cool with that? :lol:

 

[ejocam]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9992505#post9992505 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by neyugn0w01
Eric,
First it was RM "Maxima" and now Clints "Aussie Lords". You need to step up your game.

I've had my fair share beleive me:lol: It has been a while though:eek1:

 

[radiolunatic]

Interesting thread

 

[HookedOnCoral]

Clint is a great guy and has amazing corals. From what I hear...... he has sold many of them as whole colonies. You guys need to do your homework before complaining and crying about prices. That is the great thing about this hobby. There is always awesome new and better eye candy to awe at and wish for. These Aussie acans are some of the most beautiful corals I have yet to see. Thus, i expect there price to be kind of high. I just dont understand why everyone is complaing. If you dont like the price then dont buy it. It's that simple.

 

[Justin74]

Well said, Serioussnaps.

This thread should stay related to everything about the coral and where there coming from.

NOT if Clint is a bad or good guy nor speculate his agenda.

And at the same time our friendly nieghborhood floridian attorney shouldnt be the mark of personal attacks and cynicism for voicing his own beliefs and opinions as long as they are within the user agreement guidlines for use of this board.

I think there is alot to agree with here on both sides of the table, if we can keep the tempo civil and constructive and listen without making it too personal.

-Justin

 

[sufunk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9993055#post9993055 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HookedOnCoral
Clint is a great guy and has amazing corals. He has not sold many frags and from what i hear...... he has sold many of them as whole colonies.

Really? I highly doubt that but like i said before i could be wrong. Lets see a pic from someone who bought a colony of these. I'd be very interested to see the people who shelled out $5000+ for a colony but i dont think there are any. I'll guess that is being floated to combat any "chopshop sentiment" but i'd be shocked to see/hear of someone paying 5-10k for a colony.


Considering all but 2 are available right now(1 unavailable is like a 10 head colony, by FAR the smallest), can't figure out how he has sold "many as whole colonies"

 

[al abaqueta]

Well Mr Juris doctorate, for your information, I purchased the red bellied black acan as a whole colony and his Acan bowerbanki, another rare coral, for a VERY REASONABLE price! I have no intentions of fragging either colony, it's going to look gorgeous in my display tank. He gave me a great deal. He could have made 10 times the amount selling frags. These are the facts! Yes, you are wrong.

 

[sufunk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9993236#post9993236 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by al abaqueta
Well Mr Juris doctorate, for your information, I purchased the red bellied black acan as a whole colony and his Acan bowerbanki, another rare coral, for a VERY REASONABLE price! I have no intentions of fragging either colony, it's going to look gorgeous in my display tank. He gave me a great deal. He could have made 10 times the amount selling frags. These are the facts! Yes, you are wrong.

Thank you for proving my point. He could have made 10x on frags but still made a very nice profit selling the whole colony because as ive said many times HE DIDNT PAY EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO WHAT HE IS CHARGING AND IS MAKING INSANE PROFITS PER HEAD. How about charging EVERYONE reasonable prices instead of gouging $250 a head???

Regardless, i'm VERY glad that someone bought the COLONY. As i said from the start, the whole point was i thought it very sad and a shame to chop up such beautiful pieces to make a little extra money.

Congratulations and umm..... PICS!!!!!!!!!

 

[sufunk]

To be fair, a few people have pm'd me to say they completely agree with me. Al abaqueta says he bought 2 colonies. 1 Other person has pm's me saying they bought a whole colony as well. I'll assume that both are telling the truth.

If Clint is selling colonies or large chunks then i dont really have problem with what hes doing. Like i said from the start, my problem was with chopping such beautiful corals into tiny pieces to make huge profits. In my mind, the only reason to sell for $250 a polyp is to make insane money. No way could he ask or ever get $10,000 for that colony. He could though maybe sell 40 $250 frags of it though to get his 10k. To me that is scummy and shady. If he is doing that, i stand by everything i said and think he is no friend to reefing or a great guy.

Seemingly, despite only listing per head prices on his site, he is not chopping them up piece by piece. If he is selling those as colonies or large frags for seemingly reasonable prices, i take back anything i said about him or his business and will say "Great corals!".

Only 1 person publicly in the thread and 1 person privately have stated that they bought any of these from him. I'll take them at their word and assume i was wrong unless/until people start posting about 1 head purchases.

So Clint, i apologize for assuming you are chopping them up if you are not. GREAT corals and PLEASE, PLEASE dont chop them up into tiny little pieces!

 

[Creetin]

Personally i think in a year no one will be able to get $25 a polyp for them. I bet that there will be a ton of them around, and thanks to the people pushing for it we will be able to enjoy them too, rather than the few that straggle in and charge much denero for. I don't mind speending moolah, But if i can't afford to lose it i won't keep it.

 

[Creetin]

Look familliar? Now i keep nice stuff but i am done spending all my loot on them when i can shop around.
I know they are not paying a TON for them.

 

[clint conway]

How's it going. So far I haven't chopped any of these up. All of my customers also know that I haven't charged them an arm and a leg. Every piece that I've sold has been full colonies. I did pay alot for these pieces and the pictures should tell you why. I put the prices for frags on there so high because I really didn't want to cut into them because of how nice they are. If you compare these acans to all the others that have come in over the years these are without a doubt some of the nicest, and we all know as collectors how much the others have cost. Anyways I do appreciate everyone's business and support, and people who have done business with me know that I am more than fair. I have always went above and beyond to make my customers happy. If people are interested and like these just call me to talk prices instead of bashing me. I thank you for your time.

 

[clint conway]

I guess no one really knows what I'm doing with these until they call me. If your a true collector you pay to get the good stuff. I know I did. I just don't see how someone can judge a persons character by a website. As far as pictures I'm sure they will be coming real soon when the people who bought them recieve their orders and just to clear things up I would never ask 10k dollars for a colony. Is it cheap to run a business and bring you all these amazing pieces, no it's not. Do you have to make some money to stay in business, yes you do. If people don't like my website and my prices so be it, but please don't worry about wether or not I frag them or sell them as colonies. If you don't have money don't buy them. I guess there are bitter feelings between me and you ken. Who's the crook. The only reason I cut you off is because ever shipment your two most expensive pieces would die, but you could never send me pics because your camera was always busted. I did always make good on it but I was losing alot of business dealing with you.

 

[andrewkw]

I hope I didn't instigate a lot of this because I was the first to post it's sad these are being chopped. I've seen all these colonies in person and they are all beautiful. I just meant it would be nice if these could be centerpiece colonies instead of sitting in peoples frag tanks. Best corals I've ever seen. I too bought a colony and I had to chop it because I couldn't afford to keep it. The market here in Canada is a little different but if I could get these kind of prices I'd have a hard time not trying. They are certainly worth the prices he is charging its just a matter of if you can afford them. Aussie corals are never going to be cheap. They will go down but they will never be indo. Just won't happen. when you factor in the additional costs. There is also a very good chance they will not be exported in mass numbers indefinitely. This is not to say they are rare in the ocean but will remain rare to us north america collectors.

It seems like (though i really don't have a clue) no US stores have been granted Aussie Cites yet since all the shops online seem to have gotten all their acans from a store here in canada. That being said there isn't much online here and i'm sure there are many US reef shops that don't sell much online that applying or already have aussie cites. Once they don't go through a wholesaler before hitting the store the price will come down. However it still won't be cheap.

I've personally seen about 65 aussie acan colonies and no 2 have been alike. Similar pieces look different when closely examined. Even same colonies have many different polyps when you take the time to examine them.

Finally if you do decide to buy these at the per polyp prices they are you won't be disappointed. They are certainly worth it.

 

[grisha]

well said clint
thank you for coming out here, im sure it will pay off for you

 

[Serioussnaps]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9992449#post9992449 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
I'm sure he is since he clearly only cares about $$$ not our hobby itself based on those prices:strooper:

Based on the pm's ive gotten, he isnt exactly getting GOOD word of mouth. I doubt i'll see sold out signs on all those acans too quick

I was partly defending what you were saying in an earlier post...now you are just saying he is a bad guy because he charges a certain price for obviously nice acans? You are entirely digressing from the objective of your earlier statements in thread. I dont know if it is the adversary in you from being an attorney or if you are just taking shots at Clint(once again I dont know him which is why I would never make such uninformed, subjective statements about him to begin with as you are.)

He didnt get in the business to help the citizenry/common folk attain rare corals. I understand the obligatory sense an attorney should have to help others out in many circumstances, but no one should help to the point that it hurts their business. Would you be satisfied if he gave out 4 free polyps and charged his going fee for the rest? Most attorneys dont "offer reasonable fees" for those retaining their services as their "do right" actions, rather they choose spots to do pro bono work or give their efforts to helping out public servants through campaign work, lobbyist work, a non profit organization or just out right helping people who cant afford their services for free because they feel it is right. This DOES NOT ALONE make that attorney a "good person" either. There is a lot more to it and for a person old enough to be a member of the Florida State Bar one would think you understood this. Prior to judging someone you should take due diligence in considering the totality of the circumstances.

--on a side note most people that dont have a passion for the hobby would have no clue how to begin doing what Clint is doing....Dont wallow in ignorance and get off your high horse.

 

[Serioussnaps]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9992345#post9992345 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by PUGroyale
Are you the finest criminal attorney in South Florida? If you were you could charge whatever you wanted... and people would pay it

Somehow I knew you would chime in here.:smokin: