Zeovit - System

How do your LPS look? A 20% water change can help. Please keep feeding your tank as well. Can you tell me how quickly the base of your SPS is receding? Do you have any oyster feast?

I feed rods food 2x a week, the acans looks terrible, but it has been this way for months, my torch, hammers, RTBA and zoa all look great. The Garf Bonsia has been STN for two weeks and i would say lost 30% of its tissue on one side and the other has great PE, but brown.

Wow your coral look, great truly an inspiration.
 
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Zeovite

James
Looking great. Let me know when you will be selling some frag packs. I am interested.

Mike
 
James, you inspired me to get to work on my tank, one day I hope to have something half as nice as you.

Just did my full parameter test
Alk Ca Mg K NO3 PO4 Sg
8.0 450 1320 420 5 0.18 35

Mind you this is with the same bag of GFO (5 Tbsp) so it is starting to come down on its own. Should I keep my Start3 at 0.5 mL (40 gal system), also you mentioned not to change the stones, I am at week 5, when do you advice it is time to swap stones?

Thanks for all your help!
 
I'm interested in the ZEOvit method but I have one big question looming. The bacteria in their reactors are feed by adding nutrients to the tank but there's no export of living tissue mass (nutrients) to balance the import of food for bacteria. Bio-pellets make more sense when setup properly: directing the pellet reactor's output into a protein skimmer's intake. This is import matching export.

There are other sources of organic carbon for dosing that don't balance out: vodka, vinegar, sugar, and some others. I guess skimmers can catch the bacteria on the rebound if it is free-floating but what about the bacteria that is fixed onto substrates? Like red slime?

Do any types of coral eat these bacteria? How about macro algae and phyto or zooplankton? Do they eat it?
 
I'm interested in the ZEOvit method but I have one big question looming. The bacteria in their reactors are feed by adding nutrients to the tank but there's no export of living tissue mass (nutrients) to balance the import of food for bacteria. Bio-pellets make more sense when setup properly: directing the pellet reactor's output into a protein skimmer's intake. This is import matching export.

There are other sources of organic carbon for dosing that don't balance out: vodka, vinegar, sugar, and some others. I guess skimmers can catch the bacteria on the rebound if it is free-floating but what about the bacteria that is fixed onto substrates? Like red slime?

Do any types of coral eat these bacteria? How about macro algae and phyto or zooplankton? Do they eat it?

You dose zeostart 3 which is a carbon source and zeobak which is microorganisms directly into the reactor. The reactor is just a place to harbor the bacteria. Zeovit is more Effient then bio pellets because you have total control on your nutrient levels. All it takes to rasie or lower po4 is a ball valve. Also bio pellets does very little at removing po4 and a lot of user still use gfo, where as zeovit you don't need anything else.
 
Hey James and other Zeo experts. I have been contemplating switching to zeo. I currently dose vinegar and have been fairly happy with the results. I can't really complain about coral color, although there are a few pieces that I just can't seem to color up well.

My biggest problem with the tank is build up of detritus in the rock work and the sand bed (I know I should be more diligent about cleaning both, but life gets really busy sometimes.) Do you guys think just adding the biomate/zz routine to my current setup would help with the issues I am having? It is not overly bad, but I just wonder if this would help me take it to the next level???

Here is a recent FTS of my tank (probably about a month and a half old)

DSC_6748_zps21abfb96.jpg
Hi Calvin, Biomate will help with mulm, but has never really had an impact on my detrtitus. Any chance of you getting a pic of the corals you are having trouble with? As my corals have grown, I have also had issues with detritus settling in spots blocked from flow. I get some green slime algae that signals the build up of detritus. My solution is to use a turkey baster to get the detritus into the water column. Another option is more flow in your tank. I may be opening up a can of worms here, but... maybe give a new jaebo wp40 a try. I added two under my racks and it does wonders for keeping the detritus in the water column. Also, if your ever on this side of the state again, swing by and I'll show you my system. Should help you get started if you ever want to take the plunge into zeo.

Warmest Regards,
James

Hey James, thanks for the reply. I have been super busy this week and didn't have a chance to get any pics of the corals that I am having a hard time coloring up. I will try to this coming week.

Funny you should mention more flow. I had been thinking that I was not getting enough flow in certain parts of the tank anymore and just purchased another used MP40. Should be here this week. Mostly noticing dingy dirty sand, and some buildup in the rocks in certain spots. I guess maybe I just need to be better at storing the sand/basting the rocks.

It will probably be a while before I make it back over that way. When I do I will hit you up. Thanks again for the help.
 
James, you inspired me to get to work on my tank, one day I hope to have something half as nice as you.

Just did my full parameter test
Alk Ca Mg K NO3 PO4 Sg
8.0 450 1320 420 5 0.18 35

Mind you this is with the same bag of GFO (5 Tbsp) so it is starting to come down on its own. Should I keep my Start3 at 0.5 mL (40 gal system), also you mentioned not to change the stones, I am at week 5, when do you advice it is time to swap stones?

Thanks for all your help!
Very nice, Justin. Can you please remind me how much of the zeo media is in your tank? If I remember correctly, its approximately 200ml of media. If I am correct, you can add another 100ml of media at the 6 week mark. Your params look like they are really starting to get down to the target area.
Warmest Regards,
James
 
You dose zeostart 3 which is a carbon source and zeobak which is microorganisms directly into the reactor. The reactor is just a place to harbor the bacteria. Zeovit is more Effient then bio pellets because you have total control on your nutrient levels. All it takes to rasie or lower po4 is a ball valve. Also bio pellets does very little at removing po4 and a lot of user still use gfo, where as zeovit you don't need anything else.

I'm interested in the ZEOvit method but I have one big question looming. The bacteria in their reactors are feed by adding nutrients to the tank but there's no export of living tissue mass (nutrients) to balance the import of food for bacteria. Bio-pellets make more sense when setup properly: directing the pellet reactor's output into a protein skimmer's intake. This is import matching export.

There are other sources of organic carbon for dosing that don't balance out: vodka, vinegar, sugar, and some others. I guess skimmers can catch the bacteria on the rebound if it is free-floating but what about the bacteria that is fixed onto substrates? Like red slime?

Do any types of coral eat these bacteria? How about macro algae and phyto or zooplankton? Do they eat it?

Very well said Karsseboom, The zeostart3 is the carbon source is used to feed the bacterial strains. As the bacterial strains consume the carbon source, they process the nitrate and phosphate in the water. The bacterial mass are constantly removed from the water column via protein skimming. As you continue to feed the bacteria and dose the zeobac, the bacteria population continues to repopulate and the cycle continues.

In any tank, you will find bacteria fixed onto the substrate. Red/Green slime algae presents itself when certain conditions are met.

Do any types of coral eat these bacteria? Yes, SPS will consume the bacteria and LPS will consume the mulm.

How about macro algae and phyto or zooplankton? No need to dose any of these with the zeo system. I recommend finding a high quality food source with a micron size that suits your corals.

As for matching nutrient import and export... The zeo system will take your phates and trates to 0.0 when no nutrients are imported into the tank. This is why I recommend feeding the Oyster Feast. You can constantly keep your phosphate near .03 and your nitrate at .2 with regular feeding of Oyster Feast. This is why it is so important to test your water. You need to find what balance of zeo matches your feeding regimen.

Warmest Regards,
James
 
Hey James and other Zeo experts. I have been contemplating switching to zeo. I currently dose vinegar and have been fairly happy with the results. I can't really complain about coral color, although there are a few pieces that I just can't seem to color up well.

My biggest problem with the tank is build up of detritus in the rock work and the sand bed (I know I should be more diligent about cleaning both, but life gets really busy sometimes.) Do you guys think just adding the biomate/zz routine to my current setup would help with the issues I am having? It is not overly bad, but I just wonder if this would help me take it to the next level???

Here is a recent FTS of my tank (probably about a month and a half old)

DSC_6748_zps21abfb96.jpg


Hey James, thanks for the reply. I have been super busy this week and didn't have a chance to get any pics of the corals that I am having a hard time coloring up. I will try to this coming week.

Funny you should mention more flow. I had been thinking that I was not getting enough flow in certain parts of the tank anymore and just purchased another used MP40. Should be here this week. Mostly noticing dingy dirty sand, and some buildup in the rocks in certain spots. I guess maybe I just need to be better at storing the sand/basting the rocks.

It will probably be a while before I make it back over that way. When I do I will hit you up. Thanks again for the help.

No worries, Calvin. The extra flow will really help kick the detritus up into the water column. If you look at some of my pics, I have tiny spots of green slime algae in my tank. This is due to the growing corals and the inability of the flow to get to these areas. The detritus settles in and the algae begins to grow. I have to use a turkey baster on these areas to get the detritus into the water column. BTW, the new Jaebo WP40s are awesome for adding flow to your tank. I have two underneath my racks.

Be sure to let me know when your back in town.

Warmest Regards,
James
 
Very nice, Justin. Can you please remind me how much of the zeo media is in your tank? If I remember correctly, its approximately 200ml of media. If I am correct, you can add another 100ml of media at the 6 week mark. Your params look like they are really starting to get down to the target area.
Warmest Regards,
James
I am at ca 300 mL of stones, I need to fabricate a valve on my reactor, this lack of flow control is bothering me. I was thinking of swaping out ca 150 mL of stones.
 
I am at ca 300 mL of stones, I need to fabricate a valve on my reactor, this lack of flow control is bothering me. I was thinking of swaping out ca 150 mL of stones.

Hi Justin,

Just add another 100ml of stones to your reactor in a week. Is there any way you would increase your flow to 16oz in 6 seconds?

James
 
Zeovit is more Effient then bio pellets because you have total control on your nutrient levels. All it takes to rasie or lower po4 is a ball valve. Also bio pellets does very little at removing po4 and a lot of user still use gfo, where as zeovit you don't need anything else.

This does not make any sense (to me). Both bio-pellets and Zeovit are essentially carbon dosing. The only difference is the Zeolith media, which has been explained to attract Ammonia and Ammonium which are the pre cursors of Nitrate, but this would not effect the po4 (interrupting the Nitrogen cycle), other than the amount used to grow the bacteria just the same as regular carbon dosing (bio-pellets, etc.). So unless the Zeolith media is also binding po4, like calcium carbonate substrate does, how is it able to be more effective with the po4? Is this why the rocks need to be exchanged out? They cease to be able to bind po4?

Note, I am not disputing any of what you are saying, I am just trying to understand the mechanics at work here.

Dennis
 
Hi Justin,

Just add another 100ml of stones to your reactor in a week. Is there any way you would increase your flow to 16oz in 6 seconds?

James
My flow is at 16 oz in 10 seconds. I installed a ball valve on my aquamxx reactor, so this week I am going to get a new impeller. I am going to guess I need to increase the flow slowly?
 
Hey CUNA,
My PO4 has been holding steady the past few weeks at .019 despite feeding and little to no zeobak (I'm afraid the zeobak has spoiled). I will continue to monitor but do I need to add zeobak 2-3x per week if the PO4 levels are staying low?

Also, if I have my start3 on a doser, should it be on a stirrer? It appears to settle a little and is cloudy when I stir it.
 
Good evening everyone. Lets see if I can answer some questions. :)

This does not make any sense (to me). Both bio-pellets and Zeovit are essentially carbon dosing. The only difference is the Zeolith media, which has been explained to attract Ammonia and Ammonium which are the pre cursors of Nitrate, but this would not effect the po4 (interrupting the Nitrogen cycle), other than the amount used to grow the bacteria just the same as regular carbon dosing (bio-pellets, etc.). So unless the Zeolith media is also binding po4, like calcium carbonate substrate does, how is it able to be more effective with the po4? Is this why the rocks need to be exchanged out? They cease to be able to bind po4?

Note, I am not disputing any of what you are saying, I am just trying to understand the mechanics at work here.

Dennis
Hi Dennis, You are correct. The zeo material absorbs ammonium and ammonia, which prevents the nitrogen cycle from beginning. The material does not directly reduce the phosphate level. The media in the reactor serves as a safe harbor (for lack of better terms) for the bacteria to colonize. This is why you dose the zeobac and zeostart near the intake of the reactor. This is why it is important to agitate the stones on a daily basis. You are keeping a "clean" surface for the bacteria to recolonize. When you increase the flow, you are doing two things:

1) You are moving more water through the reactor so there is more opportunity for the bacteria to assimilate (process) the phosphate and nitrate.

2) You are causing some bacteria to leave the reactor and become active feeders/reproducers in your water column. These bacteria then colonize other surfaces in your aquarium.

from the neo zeo guide "...organic carbon, which
is required by organisms to process available nitrogen and phosphorus.
Hallmarks of a system that is biolimited in terms of organic carbon are the
inability of the aquarist to lower the nitrate and/or phosphate
concentration(s) and maintain it/them there for any lengthy period of time."

The rocks do need to be exchanged to continually deplete ammonia and ammonium.

I am not an expert on bio-pellets (maybe someone can chime in), but the bio pellets seem to be only effective at reducing nitrate after it has formed. The bio pellets also require the use of granular ferric oxide... which is not required by the zeo sytem.

Hope this helps. Thank you for the question.

My flow is at 16 oz in 10 seconds. I installed a ball valve on my aquamxx reactor, so this week I am going to get a new impeller. I am going to guess I need to increase the flow slowly?
Correct, Justin. Increase your flow to 16oz in 8 seconds. Let us know how it goes.

Amazing shots CUNAreefer!
Thanks SoCalDude. You always have some pretty impressive shots yourself!

Hey CUNA,
My PO4 has been holding steady the past few weeks at .019 despite feeding and little to no zeobak (I'm afraid the zeobak has spoiled). I will continue to monitor but do I need to add zeobak 2-3x per week if the PO4 levels are staying low?

Also, if I have my start3 on a doser, should it be on a stirrer? It appears to settle a little and is cloudy when I stir it.
Hey Chris, It sounds like it is time to increase your feeding. Can you tell me how your corals look? Any pale coloration or tissue recession at the base of your corals? I don't worry about mixing the start3. All I do is drill a hole in the cap and stick the intake tube from the doser in. After dosing the zeobac daily for two weeks, you can cut back the dosing to 2 or three times a week. Maybe you can post some pics of your corals. :)


Well reefers, thanks for the questions. 'till next time. James
 
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For the sake of sharing information and exchanging knowledge with others in the zeoback community. My wife called me at work today to tell me my water was very cloudy.

I knew that i was being extra liberal with dosing my zeoback. I had not refrigerated the product prior to speaking with Cunareefer so I was afraid that it had spoiled. Anyway after storing the product under proper conditions and overdosing at 18 drops twice daily I have a bacteria bloom. At least I know my zeoback is still active.

Does anyone know how long a bacterial bloom is expected to last?
 
Hey Chris, It sounds like it is time to increase your feeding. Can you tell me how your corals look? Any pale coloration or tissue recession at the base of your corals? I don't worry about mixing the start3. All I do is drill a hole in the cap and stick the intake tube from the doser in. After dosing the zeobac daily for two weeks, you can cut back the dosing to 2 or three times a week. Maybe you can post some pics of your corals. :)

Hi James, I do need to increase the feeding a bit. Thanks for the tip on the zeostart.

I put a few test frags in late last week. They are reacting nicely. The rest of my corals are slowly, slowly recovering. I'll post some pictures on Friday when I get home.

No pale coloration or tissue recession.

I need to lower my alk as it is still hovering around 8.5-9. I hope to do a large (30g) water change this upcoming weekend.
 

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