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[einsteins]

My point was that his colors are not inaccurate....maybe just a bit high on the saturation....I think his frag rack is one of the best I have seen.

I visit that "other board" a lot and admire his corals all the time. I also appreciate his input there.

I am sorry if I was mis understood. or said anything that seemed like I was coming down on him!

Glassbox is right this thread is to good to spoil this way!

My appologies for any misunderstanding...

eins

 

[eskymick]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12220998#post12220998 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by glassbox-design
This has been a good thread, lets move on... shall we?

Zedar, nice pics. what are you doing for cal/alk and trace?

We ordered some coral snow to try out, and pending it's effects will try it in combination with BBalance to further tweak colors. We were going to give the basic 4 a try, but decided to hold off as what we're doing is working just fine right now.

Thanks, glassbox ...

It's been an eye-opening thread for me. Let's move on with it.

You have a great website, btw !!!

 

[TeeLapia]

We didn't mean to ruin anything, just wanted to point out that they are a little bit saturated. We didn't want to blow it up and all.
I know VHOs and lighting variances/angles + shots can give the previewer the "pop". But the differences are right here... Moving on... Continue with the thread. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. There are always 2 sides to every story. I just don't see the eye popping flouresence and glow. I do apologize for starting this whole thing and will quit now. Again like previously stated, he does/did offer nice insight and look forward to his input.

 

[sailfintang]

How many months was it taking with teh v/s/v before a change was noticed in the algae and nutrient levels. i read some said instan others months. How long was it for you zedar till you noticed a change?

 

[Reef247]

blah, blah, blah

 

[Zedar]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12220530#post12220530 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DARKSILENTTYPE
He was banned for life a long time ago .

You can find him on another site .His name is Gqjeff over on this other site . I can not tell you the site as for RC rules . Sorry I have to go I hear them coming ...........:eek1: :eek1: :eek1:

John

PFFF I just passed my drink through my nose

 

[Zedar]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12220998#post12220998 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by glassbox-design
This has been a good thread, lets move on... shall we?

Zedar, nice pics. what are you doing for cal/alk and trace?

We ordered some coral snow to try out, and pending it's effects will try it in combination with BBalance to further tweak colors. We were going to give the basic 4 a try, but decided to hold off as what we're doing is working just fine right now.

Randys three part for alk/cal/mag

No trace.

 

[Zedar]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12221251#post12221251 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sailfintang
How many months was it taking with teh v/s/v before a change was noticed in the algae and nutrient levels. i read some said instan others months. How long was it for you zedar till you noticed a change?

Algae died the first week. But bounced back a few times. But it took 3 months to get LN.

 

[Horace]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12219195#post12219195 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TeeLapia
I am sorry to burst your bubble guys, but these pics have been imaged... if you look closely, nice colors but they have been tampered with nonetheless... I didn't read the whole 9 pages, but if it was not mentioned I feel to mention it now.

Ive got news for ya pal. I know jeff personally and have seen his tank...his colors blow your fugging mind. So before you go spouting off about people using "reef roids" how about you know what your talking about. I agree, his colors are so good you almost have to think he is shopping his pics, but I assure you hes not. ALL his pictures have looked like that from day one, even on his old tank (which was amazing too).

Jeff is a stand up guy....he does not need to shop his photos. He also happens to be one of the most meticulous reefers in the business and also has the connections to get the VERY BEST corals available. So his success is two fold... genetics and awesome husbandry. Trust me, hes showing you the real deal. I know it makes your tank feel inadequite... GET USED TO IT WHEN LOOKING AT HIS STUFF! HAHAHAHAHHA

He told me to come over and take another look so I will have to do it.. I will bring my camera with me this time and I will post em up for ya as well.

 

[BlueCorn]

The crap that's been going on, on this thread, is a really good reminder of why this topic was off limits for a very long time. The participants on this thread have a choice:

1. Discuss this topic like adults.
2. Have this and every thread on this topic go away.

You make the call.

 

[Canarygirl]

Algae died the first week. But bounced back a few times. But it took 3 months to get LN.

Zedar, forgive me if I'm asking stuff you already answered, but do you run a BB tank, or with sandbed?

Second question: since the process worked much faster for you than for me and many others, did you have any corals not transition well, STN, RTN, or anything like that?

 

[madadi]

so thats a good question about the trace elements.
i do 10 percent water change a week. should i be adding trace still?
i run a calcium reactor with calcium carbonate and dolomite

 

[Zedar]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12223420#post12223420 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Canarygirl
Zedar, forgive me if I'm asking stuff you already answered, but do you run a BB tank, or with sandbed?

Second question: since the process worked much faster for you than for me and many others, did you have any corals not transition well, STN, RTN, or anything like that?

Not a problem ask away

I have a 3 inch sandbed in my tank. i removed a 3 year old deep sand bed from my sump when i started dosing. It was loaded with P04.
If you have a sandbed take a scoop of sand from the bed and place it in a cup add some DI water and stir it up over the course of 24 hours. Then do a P04 test on it. If you have p04 leaching out of your sandbed you have two options

1. Replace it with fresh sand over the course of a month while doing water changes

2. Expect the carbon dosing to take at least a year maybe more to finally remove all the p04 from the system.


Ok ..I"ll tell you why it worked faster for me . I dosed heavy. I dont recommend doing this. thats why i havent mentioned it.

UNLESS YOU ARE IN THE SITUATION I WAS IN.

You have to understand that my tank had hair algae 5 inches long. It was literally killing my corals. I felt i had nothing to loose. When i seen the results of dosing small amounts i did what you should never do in a reef tank, I tripled the dose.

I dosed 60 ml of vodka a day for a week. Then I poured in an unknown amount of vinegar, I know it was allot, like a cupful.

I came home from work the next day to a tank covered in huge amounts of bacterial slime. I literally skimmed a cupful off the surface water of the sump. The slime was all over the rocks. My skimmer was overflowing with a nasty slimy goo. I thought the tank was finished. My PH was 7.6

I dont like admitting this. It was dangerous and careless.

I know you want to get your tank to the LNS faze. But slow and steady is the prudent thing to do.

luckily I didn't loose anything, not a single coral. My problem has been not switching to step two quick enough. Corals started getting pale. My alk was too high 9.5 I started getting STN at the base of some of the acros.
I started dosing AA's just last week when i should have been dosing weeks ago.

The corals have rebounded.

Sorry for not being truthful from the start. I dont think anyone reading this should try it just because i got away with it.

If you dose the way its been explained its only a matter of time before the tank becomes a LNS

 

[Zedar]

On the 24th I dosed potassium nitrate to raise my nitrates. before the dosing I was at 0. After I was at 20ppm. I'm not sure it had any effect positive or negative.

I tested it today its 0ppm again. The power of vodka

 

[JCTewks]

do those running Matrix in a reactor "stir" the matrix in the same way as Zeo? Just wondering if the same sort of "mulm" will build up on a non-zeolitic rock that is useful as a food for the corals.

 

[Zedar]

Yeah I stir it, when I think too. It does collect mulm.

 

[Zedar]

Seachem has a new line of products. Aqua Vitro.

lugols contains:
10 parts potassium iodide (KI) to 5 parts iodine to 85 parts of (distilled) water.

Iodine is toxic to sea creatures. Luckily Iodine rapidy converts to iodide when dosed. But why take the chance.

seachem calls the product Vibrance its simply iodide. Safer then lugols.

 

[sailfintang]

Well I have been steadily dosing that v/s/v mix. Up to 1/4 teaspoon now. I was wondering if I should start feeding heavily now or wait till I achieve the LNS. Also should i continue dosing my Iron, 2 part and magnesium etc.

 

[Canarygirl]

thankyou, Zedar, for sharing your experience.

 

[Zedar]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12226386#post12226386 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sailfintang
Well I have been steadily dosing that v/s/v mix. Up to 1/4 teaspoon now. I was wondering if I should start feeding heavily now or wait till I achieve the LNS. Also should i continue dosing my Iron, 2 part and magnesium etc.

Yes dose the 2 part and mag. The iron dose if you can get away with it. In the past dosing Iron meant an Algae outbreak for me. So I never dosed it.

Feed heavy if you can get away with it, its a good rule of thumb. Feed as much as you can get away with.
Fish and corals get a tremendous amount of food on the reef.

One of the best things about this system is we can feed the fish healthy amounts of food instead of starving them like we did in the past.

This is a great argument for why one would use this system as opposed to Berlin, jaubert etc systems. Or any of the other systems.

I mentioned that my tank was a hair algae forest before adopting this method.
How did it get that way? Was i sloppy with my maintenance? Water changes etc ? No not at all.
I fed very carefully. I never poured the water from the frozen cubes in the tank. I made sure the fish ate everything I fed. I was anal about it.
I starved my poor fish. i skipped many of days between feedings when I saw the dreaded HA start to rear its ugly head. Yet in the end after three years my tank succumbed to HA.

Now? Now I feed them every time i walk past the tank.
I put a pinch of pellets in. They are really colorful now. the green chromis has a blue sheen to them that I hadnt noticed till my sister in law came to town and commented on how pretty the blue fish were. I thought blue? There green. But no shes right, they have a greenish blue sheen to them that they didnt have before i started feeding so much more.
Probably from the cyclopeez which i feed daily now. Something i was afraid to do prior.
It seems that obscene amounts of food can now be fed with no rise in P04.