I don't know if this necessarily would be true... If you are feeding a microvert-type of food for your acros with your fish food then yes, it may not be as beneficial as feeding at night. But if you are referencing "fish poop" as coral food, then I don't think it would really matter if the fish are fed day or night. The food would take a little while for it to work through the fish's digestive system, and we don't really know the metabolic rates of these fish...
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I don't know if this necessarily would be true... If you are feeding a microvert-type of food for your acros with your fish food then yes, it may not be as beneficial as feeding at night. But if you are referencing "fish poop" as coral food, then I don't think it would really matter if the fish are fed day or night. The food would take a little while for it to work through the fish's digestive system, and we don't really know the metabolic rates of these fish...
sailfintang
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I guess I can just post the link to you all to check it out and see what its all about:
http://www.hdltd.com/
http://www.hdltd.com/
Kolognekoral
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Many denitrifiing and nitrifiing bacteria are aerobic. Anaerobis are simply a different group that will, also, bind metals, etc. generally to creat sulfates that do not cause problems.
I read through the stuff on the web and I'm not overly impressed, other than they have repackaged what we have been using; bacteria. Use a lot and it goes faster. I woud like to think they have mixed the best types together.
Now, the phosphate thing makes me wonder, as it will not be brocken- dowm that quickly in most cases, but mind you, it is never mentioned that this will happen in 24 hours. They focus on nitrifiing, not mineralization of PO4. Let us not confuse nitrogen cycle with phosphate cycle.
I have a few qualms with anything that writes itself so big, with such basics. Needs to be investigated, just as with Zeovit and UltraMarin. Both of these systems will do the same thing in new tanks. Fast nitrogen cycling. Now, with established systems, it is a different story. Removing nutrients too fast will stress any marine animal. Basta!
This will certainly be interesting.
I read through the stuff on the web and I'm not overly impressed, other than they have repackaged what we have been using; bacteria. Use a lot and it goes faster. I woud like to think they have mixed the best types together.
Now, the phosphate thing makes me wonder, as it will not be brocken- dowm that quickly in most cases, but mind you, it is never mentioned that this will happen in 24 hours. They focus on nitrifiing, not mineralization of PO4. Let us not confuse nitrogen cycle with phosphate cycle.
I have a few qualms with anything that writes itself so big, with such basics. Needs to be investigated, just as with Zeovit and UltraMarin. Both of these systems will do the same thing in new tanks. Fast nitrogen cycling. Now, with established systems, it is a different story. Removing nutrients too fast will stress any marine animal. Basta!
This will certainly be interesting.
Canarygirl
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I think that if this combo really works that fast, it would put the health of SPS corals at risk. They can't adapt to such changes in such a short period of time.
sailfintang
Member
Well it is recommended to dose half the amount of bacteia and carbon on an establlished system I have one coral left at tis time and I will move it to another tank for holding whle I test this method. If ti goes well then great if not well its only weak dollars I am wasting right? I will keep you all posted during the trial.
Let me clarify.. The advice given to folks with pale corals has been to feed the fish more. Im suggesting not to feed the fish more. Hence less P04 N03.
I'm suggesting feeding the corals more. More food that they can use at the right time. This will lower the amount of available P04 N03 that would otherwise fuel algae growth.
JCTewks
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IMO just feed more period!!! Feeding the fish more will a) get your fish fat and happy b) provide more "poop" for the bacteria that feed our corals to feed on c) provide more direct N and P for the bacteria to feed on. But one MUST also feed the corals and filter feeders more to achieve that balance. I feed phyto/zoo/microvert/marine snow once during the light period of the DT, and 2-3 times during the dark period of the DT. Fish get fed 1-2 times during the light cycle, and 1 time during the night cycle.
One observation that I've made is: The micro fauna are increasing in numbers in the tank more and more. I think the bacterial films onthe rock and glass are halping their population as well as all of the extra plankton going into the tank. Micro fauna are a good thing to have for food for the fish as well as some of the larger polyped SPS and the LPS corals. I've also noticed the filter feeders going crazy...TONS of small feather dusters, sponges on the bottom of rocks growing rapidly, and being able to raise LARGE populations of baby snails.
Question for all of you too!
My skimmer seems to have slowed production inthe last few days. My initial carbon source was sugar for many months, and the skimmer cup had to be emptied twice a day...10 days agop I started using a v/s/v mixture (375ml vodka, 3tbs sugar, 10ml vinegar). THe water was MUCH clearer by day 3 of v/s/v dosing, but the skimmer output has been steadily decreasing. I've also noticed that my cheato is actually growing again. So have I reached an ULNS? does the ethanol as a carbon source create bacteria that are not as easily removed by skimming as the sugar fed bacteria? any thoughts?????
One observation that I've made is: The micro fauna are increasing in numbers in the tank more and more. I think the bacterial films onthe rock and glass are halping their population as well as all of the extra plankton going into the tank. Micro fauna are a good thing to have for food for the fish as well as some of the larger polyped SPS and the LPS corals. I've also noticed the filter feeders going crazy...TONS of small feather dusters, sponges on the bottom of rocks growing rapidly, and being able to raise LARGE populations of baby snails.
Question for all of you too!
My skimmer seems to have slowed production inthe last few days. My initial carbon source was sugar for many months, and the skimmer cup had to be emptied twice a day...10 days agop I started using a v/s/v mixture (375ml vodka, 3tbs sugar, 10ml vinegar). THe water was MUCH clearer by day 3 of v/s/v dosing, but the skimmer output has been steadily decreasing. I've also noticed that my cheato is actually growing again. So have I reached an ULNS? does the ethanol as a carbon source create bacteria that are not as easily removed by skimming as the sugar fed bacteria? any thoughts?????
sailfintang
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Well I have a new problem that just came up recently since the sand bed change, It seems I have had a ammonia spike?
Ammonia = .5 ppm
I know way to high, what can I do to resolve this besides water changes what media or other options do I have to reduce the ammonia to near 0? The ammonia is what I am really concerned about because it is quite high. I was looking at some resins or binding media like Seachem's Purigen and Renew or some form of a liquid ammonia removal like API Ammo Lock. Suggestions?
On a side note I did order the Right Now Bacteria and 2 lbs of the tri pellet carbon. I plan to test this method once it arrive. I ordered less carbon then recommended since I am using cell pore and the matrix which will also provide housing for the bacteria.
Ammonia = .5 ppm
I know way to high, what can I do to resolve this besides water changes what media or other options do I have to reduce the ammonia to near 0? The ammonia is what I am really concerned about because it is quite high. I was looking at some resins or binding media like Seachem's Purigen and Renew or some form of a liquid ammonia removal like API Ammo Lock. Suggestions?
On a side note I did order the Right Now Bacteria and 2 lbs of the tri pellet carbon. I plan to test this method once it arrive. I ordered less carbon then recommended since I am using cell pore and the matrix which will also provide housing for the bacteria.
sailfintang
Member
Well I will try a new test kit if I have too. But it did seem strange to me unless it is because the new sand bed is cycling. I cut way back o nthe v/s/v dosing like 2 - 5 drops every other day or so.
I have one comment on the Potassium dosing. With the rise in Americans trying to cut back on their salt intake there are a few potassium salts out there now that are primarily Potassium chloride, Potassium Iodide salts. Nu Salt and No Salt are the trade names. Cost is about $5 for No salt for about 8 Oz of material. Not sure how this measures up to Zeo Products to increase K but I'm quite sure these products are more cost effective.
I've also had really good performace from a broad spectrum amino acid from GNC both increasing the girth and number of growth tips on SPS. color improved also but could be due to other factors.
I've also had really good performace from a broad spectrum amino acid from GNC both increasing the girth and number of growth tips on SPS. color improved also but could be due to other factors.
Zedar
fascinated by this threa, I decided to surge ahead and follow your advice
I have already been using the PolyLab Refresh system, so my system tends to be low in nutrients, I have run out of the product except for the carbon source of the system
so here is what I am doing (2days so far)
Daily
3ml of Polyp lab RF fuel
1 cap ful of seachem stabilizer
6 drops of zeovit amino acid
6 drops of zeovit sponge power
6ml of Coral snow
6ml of ZEOvit Sea Water Complex All in One
other
1 litre and 1/4 of Seachem Matrix, as much as I can fit in a phosban reactor and the rest thats left over sitting passively in a bag in the sump
2 large bags of carbon 7x 24
I have a 125 gallon mixed reef with a 36 gallon sump, last 3 water changes of approx. 30 gallons has been with the zeovit reef salt usually wait 1 month to do a water change
Before starting the process
Calcium 420
Alk 8
Phoshpates none
nitrates none
any suggestions
thanks
macsturm
fascinated by this threa, I decided to surge ahead and follow your advice
I have already been using the PolyLab Refresh system, so my system tends to be low in nutrients, I have run out of the product except for the carbon source of the system
so here is what I am doing (2days so far)
Daily
3ml of Polyp lab RF fuel
1 cap ful of seachem stabilizer
6 drops of zeovit amino acid
6 drops of zeovit sponge power
6ml of Coral snow
6ml of ZEOvit Sea Water Complex All in One
other
1 litre and 1/4 of Seachem Matrix, as much as I can fit in a phosban reactor and the rest thats left over sitting passively in a bag in the sump
2 large bags of carbon 7x 24
I have a 125 gallon mixed reef with a 36 gallon sump, last 3 water changes of approx. 30 gallons has been with the zeovit reef salt usually wait 1 month to do a water change
Before starting the process
Calcium 420
Alk 8
Phoshpates none
nitrates none
any suggestions
thanks
macsturm
Whalehead9
New member
I have one question. Why the reactor for the zeovit? why not just use it passively in a high flow area of the sump and shake the bag that it is in daily?
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