1000 Gallon Build- Here we go- Lots of Pictures

Socaltoaz,

Sump looks awesome and I'm sure that skimmer is going to perform excellent. As far as the drain goes, I'm going to disagree with the "Let the experts choose the drain". I would demand a beananimal. The Herbie drain is a solution for the standard Durso 2 hole reef ready tank you buy off the shelf at your LFS, because those tanks have tempered bottoms the third hole cannot be added. Don't get me wrong, the Herbie works well to convert a Durso to a Herbie, but for a custom tank like this it makes absolutely no sense to setup a Herbie. You're not trying to change a tank from its fixed state. Herbie himself has even stated on here that bean's design is superior. And here's why...

If you set up a Herbie, 1-Full Siphon Drain and 1-Emergency Drain, the water level will fluctuate in the tank, this will cause more water to enter the display and start pushing water over the emergency to the point where you'll have to adjust the gate valve on the full siphon from time to time. So this system will always have to be adjusted, which in my opinion is a pita. Now, some people will run there emergency drain wet. In other words, allow a trickle of water to flow through the emergency to take on the extra water that's sent to the tank. The problem with this is eventually it will become noisy, but even worse, since they're running it wet there's a greater possibility of algae, sponges, snails, etc. entering the emergency drain and increasing the chance of a major flood if the full siphon drain clogs and the emergency was already compromised through the use of the trickle.

Conversely, this does not happen on a beananimal drain. On the beananimal drain you have a full siphon, an open channel and a "DRY" emergency drain. The open channel takes on the trickle to handle the fluctuation of water in the display, but also has an airline trigger that once it's occluded from a clog on the full siphon it will convert to another full siphon. But because it was always a wet drain, there's a higher possibility that it too is compromised and so we now have the dry emergency as our final drop dead last chance to avoid a flood, drain.

The beananimal drain is silent and ultimately fail safe that does not need to be adjusted from time to time. It's pretty much set it and forget it.

Here's bean's thread. I would do your research on this because it's important and there's no going back and changing it once it's done.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1310585

I'll also add that some people on here will argue, "It's rare for a drain to clog, mine has never clogged." This is pure nonsense. That's like saying, "I've never been in a car accident, so I don't need to wear my seatbelt." There's plenty of folks on here that have experienced a clog, in fact some have shared how their bean drain saved them from disaster and others have shared their misfortune.
 
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This are pictures of my Dreambox but I just heard you want to get the same. Good choose. [emoji6]

You will find more pictures here

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Greetings Torben

Greetings Torben. What I posted was what was sent to me by the manufacturer of the sump. Did not mean to imply that is my actual sump. Mine is being fabricated.

Very excited about receiving my sump. Should be great.



Socaltoaz,

Sump looks awesome and I'm sure that skimmer is going to perform excellent. As far as the drain goes, I'm going to disagree with the "Let the experts choose the drain". I would demand a beananimal. The Herbie drain is a solution for the standard Durso 2 hole reef ready tank you buy off the shelf at your LFS, because those tanks have tempered bottoms the third hole cannot be added. Don't get me wrong, the Herbie works well to convert a Durso to a Herbie, but for a custom tank like this it makes absolutely no sense to setup a Herbie. You're not trying to change a tank from its fixed state. Herbie himself has even stated on here that bean's design is superior. And here's why...

If you set up a Herbie, 1-Full Siphon Drain and 1-Emergency Drain, the water level will fluctuate in the tank, this will cause more water to enter the display and start pushing water over the emergency to the point where you'll have to adjust the gate valve on the full siphon from time to time. So this system will always have to be adjusted, which in my opinion is a pita. Now, some people will run there emergency drain wet. In other words, allow a trickle of water to flow through the emergency to take on the extra water that's sent to the tank. The problem with this is eventually it will become noisy, but even worse, since they're running it wet there's a greater possibility of algae, sponges, snails, etc. entering the emergency drain and increasing the chance of a major flood if the full siphon drain clogs and the emergency was already compromised through the use of the trickle.

Conversely, this does not happen on a beananimal drain. On the beananimal drain you have a full siphon, an open channel and a "DRY" emergency drain. The open channel takes on the trickle to handle the fluctuation of water in the display, but also has an airline trigger that once it's occluded from a clog on the full siphon it will convert to another full siphon. But because it was always a wet drain, there's a higher possibility that it too is compromised and so we now have the dry emergency as our final drop dead last chance to avoid a flood, drain.

The beananimal drain is silent and ultimately fail safe that does not need to be adjusted from time to time. It's pretty much set it and forget it.

Here's bean's thread. I would do your research on this because it's important and there's no going back and changing it once it's done.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1310585

I'll also add that some people on here will argue, "It's rare for a drain to clog, mine has never clogged." This is pure nonsense. That's like saying, "I've never been in a car accident, so I don't need to wear my seatbelt." There's plenty of folks on here that have experienced a clog, in fact some have shared how their bean drain saved them from disaster and others have shared their misfortune.

Scouts honor- I will bone up on the bean animal this weekend. I understood the Herbie. Ill do my homework on the bean and incorporate that into the design. Makes a ton of sense.
 
Got to be the coolest looking sump I recall seeing!!

BTW, had a meeting with the guy that made my tanks yesterday to discuss equipment. He ALWAYS recommends UV, as it removes a type of algae in the water column that Ozone doesn't.....among other benefits. He convinced me to pull my 40 watt out of storage to put on the reef tank.
 
Indeed a properly sized UV will sterilize free floating algae, excessive and dangerous heterotrophic bacteria and keep many pests and disease from reaching plague populations, while flat out eliminating some. Not all, some.

Through my research there is only one UV manufacturer I would use and that is Emperor Aquatics. In fact I own their 80 Watt High Output UV for my 310 gallon tank. If you haven't made a purchase yet I recommend calling Mike at Emperor and discussing what size UV to match your system. I'll warn you though, these units are huge, but need to be in order to be effective. An undersized UV with the incorrect flow rate is an absolute waste of money and electricity.
 
Socaltoaz, I haven't completely read this thread of yours. Are you going to have a fish room (which is also called a sump room)?
 
OK, so it has enough room for a tall skimmer. I read one blog outside of RC. I forgot the name of the author. Nevertheless, he pointed out that a taller skimmer has the longer contact which is better so why didn't you get the tall external skimmer instead of the short and wide internal skimmer that you ordered? Just wondering.
 
The skimmer is integrated into the sump which fulfills the desire to keep everything clean and clutter free. There are a thousand different sumps, 1000 different skimmers, 1000 different powerheads and it will be impossible to justify why one piece of equipment was chosen over another.

At the end of the day, the equipment that is going into the build must fulfill the following criteria:
1- Reputable manufacturer
2- Well regarded brand
3- Esthetically pleasing to the eye

So a tall skimmer would be great but the skimmer Im getting is also great and well regarded.

Ill post more photos in the future as the build progresses.
 
1000 Gallon Build- Here we go- Lots of Pictures

Kabella! That is one beautiful sump. Get your YouTube channel setup, as we're gonna need lots of video clips. :) Really looking forward to tour of fish room and sump once up and running.... :) Congrats on a very nice start.... P.S. I go to Scottsdale for Superbowl party at private home annually and the wild bores scare me :(
 
So my installer is going to set up the drains. Have to be honest- I've read up on the heroine/bean animal. I'm a smart guys- sort of- all that is just not making sense to me. I figure it's better to have experts on your team and tell them to set it up as a Bernie. (Whatever that is). ��

I can't say I have ever read any siphon system named heroine, but I would suggest staying away from it :spin3::spin2:

Just messing with you.
 
Spent a lot of time doing a lot of reading yesterday on ozone. For me right now, there are too many negatives to ozone over the positives. Im gonna stick with just UV for now.
True, if you use an ozonizer, you must have an ORP controller and must use carbon to remove the odor from air to protect you and your family as well as from water to protect your livestock. What's more, an air dryer is required for a better effect. I had the experience with it. Those items I had were made by Sanders in Germany a long time ago. It worked great but it was not cost efficient (air dryers are regenerable for a few times only and replace exhausted carbon frequently). What a PITA.
 
I see so many crazy things on reefs. Ozone, refugiums, mangrove forests, crazy reactors, surge sumps- etx etc. it begs the question, how much of the stuff that we have in some of these tanks really necessary? With ozone, do I really want to mess with something thing might be potentially harmful if I don't manage it properly? Isnt sometimes less actually more?
 
I see so many crazy things on reefs. Ozone, refugiums, mangrove forests, crazy reactors, surge sumps- etx etc. it begs the question, how much of the stuff that we have in some of these tanks really necessary? With ozone, do I really want to mess with something thing might be potentially harmful if I don't manage it properly? Isnt sometimes less actually more?
Yeah, you only need three things for water quality control - mechanical, chemical and biological filtration. As for an UV unit, it's not necessary but if you want to reduce free-floating parasites in your tank, it will help as long as the flow is slow enough according to the UV manufacturer's instruction.

Are you planning to add biopellets to prevent algae growth?
 
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Isnt sometimes less actually more?
It is so good to see you asking this question up front. In case it hasn't occurred to you yet, there is a tremendous amount of OCD in the hobby. People try to add every possible device before they know if they even need it. Advance planning allows you to include space, plumbing and power for every conceivable device, but there is no knowing what you will actually need until you start running your tank.

No two tanks behave the same because no two tanks have exactly the same set-up or inhabitants. You can't know in advance if you really need the extra boost that a particular type of filtration can provide. And people turn all sorts of cartwheels during the first few months of operation as the tank tries to find its own equilibrium. They forget that a tank doesn't even start to become fully mature until it is about two years old.

Instead of trying to build in every possible type of filtration in advance, you are far better off getting the basics to start and then modifying and adapting your system as it grows and matures. This involves having sufficient power supply and space for additional plumbing and equipment. Having your fish room puts you miles ahead of many other hobbyists, but don't think for a moment that this is a one time, set-and-forget sort of thing. A reef tank is an organic system that will change and grow over time.

Just my opinion, of course.

Dave.M
 
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