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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6781849#post6781849 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
My Euro-Reef 12-2 is a huge skimmer at 12" in diameter and 30" tall, and with the two Sedra 5000 pumps running it, it only pulls 81w per hour.

It is a good reliable skimmer and worth every penny. It does need 18" x 18" of space, but my sump was built to hold that skimmer. And it is rated for 500g, where my system runs 330g of volume.

This is the kind of power usage I wish my skimmer exhibited! Only 81w! Wow! :) And I imagine it'd a lot quieter than my huge pcx-70 (though it's in the fish room, noise to adjoining basement rooms is always a future concern)..

Streams and the soon to be IceCap pumps would also cut my power usage from my closed loop. But that's another whole load of fun. :)

Tyler
 
TGunn - good stuff. We think alike on alot of things, including here. I love the DIY b/c its just fun. Hmmmm, yea, I remember you talking about this. I agree - I dont have the tools, material or experience, so the cost would jack up a bit more. Its kinda like my plans for an aluminum light rack - cant wait to try it but I need the $$$ before hand. I know that one's gonna be fun.

No, I'll prbably hold off for now and wait for the right deal to come along. Although, I am having alot of fun in the DIY forum with all the crazy skimmer ideas there. Theres one right now that has to do with making a skimmer out of a 5g water jug!

400W of power! darn! thats alot. Yea, you gotta get that down eventually.

Im surprised you have a microbubble issue. your tank always looks so perfectly clear!

Thanks

Marc -
My Euro-Reef 12-2 is a huge skimmer at 12" in diameter and 30" tall, and with the two Sedra 5000 pumps running it, it only pulls 81w per hour.

- Now, THATS what Im talking about. Thats eventually where I wanna be.

Well, Im just gonna keep lookin for the right deal in the mean time. I have time. Thanks for the feedback all!

I have the day off today, and I have two plans. One of them includes spending the WHOLE day tinkering. Hmmmm, which will I choose?
 
Did something new and cool with my new moonlight system, will post pics and details later.

In the meantime, I've been scouring the forum for an upgraded skimmer. Want one thats powerful enough for double my tank size, but cant pay top dollar. Also want a good reputable product. Well, what do you think about this, skimmer experts (ehhem, marc)? The price dropped again and...I live nearby and wouldnt have to pay for shipping. Iwould have to buy a new pump, however...

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=6822467#post6822467

thoughts?
 
That is a Lifereef skimmer. I had one and complained about it for 9 months. The problem I had was that I couldn't make any modifications whatsoever to make it work better for me, and I called Jeff to discuss all my possible ideas which were shot down one by one.

I honestly don't believe my Lifereef skimmer was large enough to keep up with the bioload in my tank, or for a 280g reef period. I do believe a lot of the phosphate I fought was due in part to the undersized skimmer.

If it was run in-sump, I'm sure it would be fine.... but I'm very pleased with my Euro-Reef because it doesn't add heat to the water (like the Mag 12 did) nor use as much power (as the Mag 12 consumed).
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6783129#post6783129 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bheron
TGunn - good stuff. We think alike on alot of things, including here. I love the DIY b/c its just fun. Hmmmm, yea, I remember you talking about this. I agree - I dont have the tools, material or experience, so the cost would jack up a bit more. Its kinda like my plans for an aluminum light rack - cant wait to try it but I need the $$$ before hand. I know that one's gonna be fun.

No, I'll prbably hold off for now and wait for the right deal to come along. Although, I am having alot of fun in the DIY forum with all the crazy skimmer ideas there. Theres one right now that has to do with making a skimmer out of a 5g water jug!

400W of power! darn! thats alot. Yea, you gotta get that down eventually.

Im surprised you have a microbubble issue. your tank always looks so perfectly clear!

Thanks

Yup. Same thing came up when I've been thinking of building a calcium reactor. Kept thinking, "Hmm, I need a reactor body, fittings for the body, pipe taps, a recirculating pump, etc".. The regulator and tank are transferrable even if I mess up, but there's still well over $150 of little things I'd need for the reactor chamber and pump.. The LFS has great reactors for $270 that are made of acrylic so I can see through 'em, etc..

I think the aluminum light rack would be a great project. Are you thinking of getting all fancy and having a hoist/pulleys to lift it up? Metalworking is something I've always wanted to get into; so many little projects I could build around the home (speaker stands, etc)....

All 3 of my pumps use around 400w (the Sequence 1000 uses around 380w).. The 400w for the closed loop I don't mind because it moves a LOT of water (5500 GPH).. But 400w for return and skimmer I hadn't quite expected to use. I think I'd eventually like to move to a recirculating needlewheel skimmer or do a gravity fed counter current airstone skimmer or something like that. For now this works though..

Yeah, my skimmer dumps a LOT of microbubbles into the sump and the sump flow through is a bit heavy so they get sucked upstairs.

Tyler
 
Marc - thanks alot for that feedback on your skimmer exp. Thats just what I was looking for - expert experience with the same brand of skimmer. i think i'll hold off for now.

question: the reason im all about getting the bigger skimmer now is b/c im under the belief it will help get me to the goal of crystal clear water. i know there are many components to getting there, but correct me if im wrong in beleiving an ultra powerful skimmer is critical to that goal? Technically, its a mechanical filter, right? and it helps filter out small particles of waste, some which I CAN see and some which I CANT. so, if thats true, its a component i dont have yet, just a smaller end euroreef thats capable for a 90 gallon tank. id like to get one suitable for 400g.


tyler - the aluminum rack i wanna build wont have too many bells and whistles b/c my t5 components are so light to begin with - its just the bulbs themselves, the endcaps, and reflectors that need to be moved. im hoping to build something out of tub aluminum eventually (like weatherson's) and do it with rivets. ive already priced it out and, along with the rivet gun itself, will come to at least $75, and probably more like $100 with an error factor built in there :D
 
I responded to some topics in the above post (see above). now its time for a nice update with pics and more questions!

- First things first. I had been fostering around this tiny piece of chaeto from my old tank since April!! Yea, I refused to pay for another batch since I did so well with my last one. Well, I finally put it into my fuge last week and, i guess it was too small and close to the heater that it disintigrated! yea, nice job there. so i finally caved and purchased a nice sized clump of chaeto to help in the all important task of nutrient export:

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See, even with the WCs ive been doing, i still have a little bit of hair algae on some rocks and....i get SO much buildup on the front of my glass. Its amazing, to keep it perfect I really have to scrape the glass clean EVERY day! I know part of it is b/c of my powerful lights, but i think its also a result of high nutrients. So, Im really gonna grow some nice chaeto here.

Right now its in my QT/Fuge, but Im going to install a dedicated rubbermaid just to hold and grow out this chaeto. I will use the LOA light fixture seen below, 24/7, along with a higher flow of water than in the current QT/Fuge. Here's a shot of the nice stuff:


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Im hoping as this grows it will help cut back on the nutrients and, eventually, the algae growth on the glass.


- Next, I promised some details on my newest moonlight. I have a feeling, though, that this may not be an ideal solution in the end. I was browsing through one of those Christmas shops in the mall and bought a set of blue christmas lights on sale, for $1.75! Yea, I couldnt pass up the opportunity to try these out. Bottom line: they look AWESOME on the tank at night, however, Im afraid the way I have them it might be a hazard of some sort?

As you can see in the pic below, I basically have them resting on top of my T5 reflectors, so that the bulbs themselves "peek" through to the surface of the water!

Here's a shot, looking down onto my T5 reflectors:

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Here's a shot from below, where they stick out towards the water:

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So, they look awesome at night, but I feel like the heat from the T5s might be too much for these cheap Xmas lights? Thoughts?


- Next, I need help with an ID. I think this is a spong of some sort? Any clues?


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- Now, for some picture updates of my corals. Here's one of my Frogspawn that has recently split into a new head!

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Im a little concerned that my lights might be too powerful b/c sometimes the coral seems a little too brown, and not green enough when under the full power of the lights. Is this possible?


- Next, here's some pics of my green torch coral.


First, here's a pic when I first got it.
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Now, I've been messing with the location of it for the right light/flow combination b/c recently it just hasnt been opening too much.

Here's a current pic of what I mean:

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Im not sure, but is something wrong? why isnt it opening to its full lenght? One good thing to add is that it, too, just split one of its head into a new one!



Sorry for such a long update, but its been awhile. I'll have more shortly...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6826440#post6826440 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bheron
I responded to some topics in the above post (see above). now its time for a nice update with pics and more questions!

- First things first. I had been fostering around this tiny piece of chaeto from my old tank since April!! Yea, I refused to pay for another batch since I did so well with my last one. Well, I finally put it into my fuge last week and, i guess it was too small and close to the heater that it disintigrated! yea, nice job there. so i finally caved and purchased a nice sized clump of chaeto to help in the all important task of nutrient export:

See, even with the WCs ive been doing, i still have a little bit of hair algae on some rocks and....i get SO much buildup on the front of my glass. Its amazing, to keep it perfect I really have to scrape the glass clean EVERY day! I know part of it is b/c of my powerful lights, but i think its also a result of high nutrients. So, Im really gonna grow some nice chaeto here.

Right now its in my QT/Fuge, but Im going to install a dedicated rubbermaid just to hold and grow out this chaeto. I will use the LOA light fixture seen below, 24/7, along with a higher flow of water than in the current QT/Fuge. Here's a shot of the nice stuff:

Im hoping as this grows it will help cut back on the nutrients and, eventually, the algae growth on the glass.


- Next, I promised some details on my newest moonlight. I have a feeling, though, that this may not be an ideal solution in the end. I was browsing through one of those Christmas shops in the mall and bought a set of blue christmas lights on sale, for $1.75! Yea, I couldnt pass up the opportunity to try these out. Bottom line: they look AWESOME on the tank at night, however, Im afraid the way I have them it might be a hazard of some sort?

As you can see in the pic below, I basically have them resting on top of my T5 reflectors, so that the bulbs themselves "peek" through to the surface of the water!

Here's a shot, looking down onto my T5 reflectors:

Here's a shot from below, where they stick out towards the water:

So, they look awesome at night, but I feel like the heat from the T5s might be too much for these cheap Xmas lights? Thoughts?


- Next, I need help with an ID. I think this is a spong of some sort? Any clues?


- Now, for some picture updates of my corals. Here's one of my Frogspawn that has recently split into a new head!

Im a little concerned that my lights might be too powerful b/c sometimes the coral seems a little too brown, and not green enough when under the full power of the lights. Is this possible?


- Next, here's some pics of my green torch coral.


First, here's a pic when I first got it.
Now, I've been messing with the location of it for the right light/flow combination b/c recently it just hasnt been opening too much.

Here's a current pic of what I mean:

Im not sure, but is something wrong? why isnt it opening to its full lenght? One good thing to add is that it, too, just split one of its head into a new one!



Sorry for such a long update, but its been awhile. I'll have more shortly...

Hey Bryan,

your plans for the T5 light rack sound great. I should consider making something a bit nicer for my T5s in the basement. The 2x4 scraps I used look kinda ghetto.

Hey, nice idea for the christmas lights. I've seen some people using the blue LED ones as moon lights too. How do the corals fluoresce under them?
I'd be a little concerned about the salt spray getting into the bulb sockets with those. Or having them fall into the tank...

Your tank was up and running a little while after mine, so all the algae you're seeing I can relate too. A few weeks ago I finally got over the brown algae and hair algae in the display. The snails seem to have finally caught up. Not sure if the chaeto has helped too too much (it's only about double the size it was before in the 2 months I've had it)... I've got some brown algae growing in the sump now with the T5s but I'm not too concerned about it (better there than in the display); I wipe it down every now and then to export it...

I had some problems with my frogspawn not opening up very well recently. I moved it to a lower flow area off on the side of the tank and it's doing a LOT better. It was in a pretty strong flow area previously; now it's in a more gentle spot. It's also a bit lower in the tank so not quite so bright. It seems top open up nicer now. My froggy just split a head and that particular head was kinda closed for a few days during the split but it's opened up nice now. Might be part of the process? Dunno.

How strong is the flow where your torch is?
 
Look at all those little blue lights.
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I think the torch looks cute like that, but it would be larger with less flow hitting it.
 
Tyler -
your plans for the T5 light rack sound great. I should consider making something a bit nicer for my T5s in the basement. The 2x4 scraps I used look kinda ghetto.

- ha! yea, i used 2x3s and its not pretty!

Hey, nice idea for the christmas lights. I've seen some people using the blue LED ones as moon lights too. How do the corals fluoresce under them?

- The corals look really cool under them. the light is really nice, even, and clear all the way to the floor of the tank. for the first time i notice my torch and frog looking cool at night.

I'd be a little concerned about the salt spray getting into the bulb sockets with those. Or having them fall into the tank...


- Yep. Mee too. Have them secured somewhat with zipties and im gonna watch them for salt spray. am worried about the heat from the T5 lamps.

Your tank was up and running a little while after mine, so all the algae you're seeing I can relate too. A few weeks ago I finally got over the brown algae and hair algae in the display. The snails seem to have finally caught up. Not sure if the chaeto has helped too too much (it's only about double the size it was before in the 2 months I've had it)... I've got some brown algae growing in the sump now with the T5s but I'm not too concerned about it (better there than in the display); I wipe it down every now and then to export it...

- This is encouraging. Wow, it would be great if its just another stage of the startup. youre right, i got mine up right after yours so maybe its right behind in the startup process. cool!

How strong is the flow where your torch is?

- Right now its probably medium at best. i have it on the floor of the tank and its not much better (taken in the pic above). i had it in the middle of the tank with low flow, then moved it to the top with bright lights and high flow, and nothing changed. so now its on the floor and its still the same. i will say, even though its on the floor, the middle of the tank is the brightest spot. so maybe i'll move it off to the side, low light, low flow.
Look at all those little blue lights.

Melev -
Look at all those little blue lights.

!! :rolleyes: So, you think they're ok, or is that little animation mocking me? :D

I think the torch looks cute like that, but it would be larger with less flow hitting it.

- Alright. I'll move it down to the lowest flow area and see what happens.

Mulligan -
I think that the red sponge is a chili coral. I have one and it looks very similar to your photo

- Interesting. I did a google on the name and some of the photos look similar. Also one said it was a sponge, the chili coral. Its growing in my FUGE! i have one in my display too.
 
Typically, when you see some moon lights over the tank, there are two or three. You must have 30 or more. It's just funny, but the price was great. I know those are usually made to be used indoor-outdoor, but salt may be an issue. The T-5 heat might be another.

If you have some PVC, you could cut it lengthwise and drill holes where the bulbs hang through, and set them like gutters over the tank. The wiring would be in the PVC away from the heat, and the bulbs could shine easily. Just an idea...
 
The guy I got mine from had it mounted upside down he said aparently thats the proper mount for it I havn't done much reading on it yet but seems to like it, and that it liked changing flow paterns and medium flow.
 
Marc - thats a good idea, and would probably be the best solution for this thing in the long run. my initial concern was extra power draw from so many lights, but I think this thing might only pull .3 amps? Im gonna verify.

Mulligan - interestesting. I'll have to keep a closer eye on the growth of it.


In the meantime, some updated pics of my only corals:

Zoos have really started to populate in such a short time:

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Zenia
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Here's that SPS I got for free. Looks like its starting to bleach and I think i've lost it. I dont do any calcium supplementation other than WCs. Its at the very top of my reef near high water flow. But I think I've lost it:

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Man, i just tried to target feed my Torch and Frog with some Mysis and was that tough! What a mess.

What's the trick?
 
Turn off the pumps, and feed them at night while the fish sleep. And turn the pumps back on 15 minutes later. I have a few pictures of a hammer eating a few nights ago that I could post, probably in my own thread if there is any interest.
 
that would be great marc. yea, it really made it tough with the whole darn neighborhood hagning out rightby the tube. i did turn all the pumps off. so these guys will eat ay night, huh?

if you cold post the vid, that would be great. yhx
 
Take a piece of downdraft tubing (the CHEAP clear plastic stuff for undergravel filters) and cut it to length. Then put one end just above the coral you want to feed. Pour the shrimp into the tube and make sure you have it where you want it. Then take another cup and pour water from the tank into the top of the tube. By adjusting how much water you pour into the top of the tube you can control how fast the food comes out and target it right onto the coral that needs it. This method always worked for me.

Best part is- If you have left over food, just put your hand over the bottom of the tube and lift it out slowly over a large cup, less extra food in the tank!
 
what is that? cyclopeeze? looks crazy and amazingly well targeted!!!

q: does cyclopeeze cause an increase in PO4? In other words, more food, more waste? does alot of it go uneaten usually?
 
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