250 gallon build/setup re post!!!!!!

[mthomp]

derric lets talk about the starfish for a sec if thats alright. keep an eye on that sandsifter, they go through everything they can eat in no time and pretty much destroy your sand of anything useful. and since your tank is very new, i cant see it living long at all and decaying in your tank. Now linkas have a extremely poor survival rate and again to give them the best chance they need a very mature tank to have a chance. i would seriously consider finding these guys new homes or taking them back to the store.

 

[Jason S]

Dericc, I have to say that I am impressed with your latest responses.

We do want to see you successful, and we care about the animals in your tanks, or we would not bother trying to help.

You are correct, there are many different ways to be successful in this hobby, and you have to find what works for you. My advice is that you learn some proven methods and adjust from there. The corals, fish, and inverts that we love so much have one thing in common. They can not speak. Because of this, we can not possibly say that they are happy in any setup, so we have to do the best we can with the knowledge that we have. There is a huge difference between surviving, and thriving. Yes, a Purple or Sohal Tang can live for a while in a 55, but it is not a good envirnment for them due to their space requirements. They may eat fine, have good color, etc, but it is not a good idea for long term success. Would you keep your cat in a bucket, or raise a child in a 4 foot X 4 foot cage? I would hope the answer is no You would give them enough space to grow and live the longest life possible.... thrive

I know you have a much larger tank now, but the idea is the same. Everything we keep has different requirments, and there is much more to keeping these animals than short term success. I am glad to hear that you are receptive to the sock, top off, etc, and I hope you continue to open your mind. This is hard for me as well. I was a semi old school reefer, and I was not very receptive to some of the newer techniques... LED's and T5's for SPS? Chaeto Refugiums? carbon dosing? Calcium reactors? Etc. But, I did open my mind and embrace some of the newer methods that I was not familiar with, and my tank is thanking me for it.

It can be hard for us to change our ways, but in the end, we can all benefit. I am not saying to never try anything new because if we never experiment, innovation dies. I am just saying to be more careful and receptive, and you will have long term success.

 

[dericcanderson]

Dericc, I have to say that I am impressed with your latest responses.

We do want to see you successful, and we care about the animals in your tanks, or we would not bother trying to help.

You are correct, there are many different ways to be successful in this hobby, and you have to find what works for you. My advice is that you learn some proven methods and adjust from there. The corals, fish, and inverts that we love so much have one thing in common. They can not speak. Because of this, we can not possibly say that they are happy in any setup, so we have to do the best we can with the knowledge that we have. There is a huge difference between surviving, and thriving. Yes, a Purple or Sohal Tang can live for a while in a 55, but it is not a good envirnment for them due to their space requirements. They may eat fine, have good color, etc, but it is not a good idea for long term success. Would you keep your cat in a bucket, or raise a child in a 4 foot X 4 foot cage? I would hope the answer is no You would give them enough space to grow and live the longest life possible.... thrive

I know you have a much larger tank now, but the idea is the same. Everything we keep has different requirments, and there is much more to keeping these animals than short term success. I am glad to hear that you are receptive to the sock, top off, etc, and I hope you continue to open your mind. This is hard for me as well. I was a semi old school reefer, and I was not very receptive to some of the newer techniques... LED's and T5's for SPS? Chaeto Refugiums? carbon dosing? Calcium reactors? Etc. But, I did open my mind and embrace some of the newer methods that I was not familiar with, and my tank is thanking me for it.

It can be hard for us to change our ways, but in the end, we can all benefit. I am not saying to never try anything new because if we never experiment, innovation dies. I am just saying to be more careful and receptive, and you will have long term success.

Thats very true and I am very open minded to some enw things to get this tank here rolling I love this thing everytime is ee it I smile i have had guest come by and just stand and watch the tank for minutes. I love this thing thanks for the advice im gonna try not to add anything and really worry about the things that keep my tank succesful

 

[dericcanderson]

derric lets talk about the starfish for a sec if thats alright. keep an eye on that sandsifter, they go through everything they can eat in no time and pretty much destroy your sand of anything useful. and since your tank is very new, i cant see it living long at all and decaying in your tank. Now linkas have a extremely poor survival rate and again to give them the best chance they need a very mature tank to have a chance. i would seriously consider finding these guys new homes or taking them back to the store.

Maybe the sand shifter can go but my wife would stump me if i take the fiji one back. :uzi:

 

[dericcanderson]

triggers as a whole are not reef safe. Just be warned and know that he can, and will anytime he want, start munching on corals, snails, crabs, or hermit crabs.

blue jaws are "more" reef safe than others, but there are no guarantees. These are wild animals.

chimmike not to dismiss you comments but I swear i dont think this guy will hurt a fly my buddy has a red tail same family very identical to a blue jaw and his has been in his reef for years doesnt bother anything. I feel good with this guy i just think im screwed with my wrasse and I cant catch him he is bad news

 

[mthomp]

Maybe the sand shifter can go but my wife would stump me if i take the fiji one back. :uzi:

thats fine but it most likely wont live long at all. fish stores generally sell these things knowing they die. not by anyway trying to tell you what to do but they do have an extremely high mortality rate, and with such a young tank anything that dies can cause some serious issues.

 

[chimmike]

chimmike not to dismiss you comments but

Let's not mess semantics here. With that "but", dismissing my comments is exactly what you're doing.

I swear i dont think this guy will hurt a fly my buddy has a red tail same family very identical to a blue jaw and his has been in his reef for years doesnt bother anything. I feel good with this guy i just think im screwed with my wrasse and I cant catch him he is bad news

Like I said. There are no guarantees with triggers, there are no absolutely positively reef-safe triggers. One day, out of the blue, he will probably start pecking at something. And once you notice it, it'll probably be too late. He'll have eaten a $100 coral, or taken out a bunch of your crabs 'n snails. Kinda like your lunar wrasse did.......

 

[dericcanderson]

Let's not mess semantics here. With that "but", dismissing my comments is exactly what you're doing.



Like I said. There are no guarantees with triggers, there are no absolutely positively reef-safe triggers. One day, out of the blue, he will probably start pecking at something. And once you notice it, it'll probably be too late. He'll have eaten a $100 coral, or taken out a bunch of your crabs 'n snails. Kinda like your lunar wrasse did.......[/QU

Im not messing anything chimmike dont say im dismissing what your saying becuase im not im saying he is reef safe the one i have is reef safe and i have seen others that are exactly the same. Its just like angel fish. people say a french and a emperor cant live together and i have seen it done before. I know tons of triggers taht i wouldnt dare put in my reef tank let alone any tank but this guy has done great hasnt even glanced at my corals and he is fine and yea i was given a heads up on the wrasse but i took a chance out of pure stupidity that was all my falut but he hasnt bothered a coral just wont leave my darn snails aloone =(

 

[Palting]

Keep the trigger, derrick. Let us know how he does.

The problem you need help with now is catching the wrasse, right? Have you tried using two nets, one net with frozen brine shrimp in it to entice him, another net to drive him towards that tasty morsel?

 

[dericcanderson]

Keep the trigger, derrick. Let us know how he does.

The problem you need help with now is catching the wrasse, right? Have you tried using two nets, one net with frozen brine shrimp in it to entice him, another net to drive him towards that tasty morsel?

no palting i havent tried that but i will this weekend i need some help he is very very fast

 

[Palting]

OK. Use nets with widely spaced weave as these will let you move quicker in the water. Good luck!

 

[punchedup]

I hate to ruin it for everyone, but Deric, THE GIG IS UP.

I had my suspicions all along, but now I am sure; you are pulling our legs.

I am very new to this hobby, but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that anyone that has had reef tanks for five years HAS to know how to top off.

There is no way you can top off with salt consistently and not experience complete failure within a month or two, let alone 5 years. Not to mention how much freaking salt you would have to go through.

So you can give up the act and let us in on what's really going on with your tanks.

It was fun while it lasted, but there is no way someone with such successful tanks could be this clueless!

Anyways, now that the show is over, I suggest the admins resurrect all of these threads and sticky them as a satirical 'What not to do!'

:uzi: Say hello to my little friend!

 

[sruiz]

I hate to ruin it for everyone, but Deric, THE GIG IS UP.

I had my suspicions all along, but now I am sure; you are pulling our legs.

I am very new to this hobby, but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that anyone that has had reef tanks for five years HAS to know how to top off.

There is no way you can top off with salt consistently and not experience complete failure within a month or two, let alone 5 years. Not to mention how much freaking salt you would have to go through.

So you can give up the act and let us in on what's really going on with your tanks.

It was fun while it lasted, but there is no way someone with such successful tanks could be this clueless!

Anyways, now that the show is over, I suggest the admins resurrect all of these threads and sticky them as a satirical 'What not to do!'

:uzi: Say hello to my little friend!

Don't know where you have been but were all past this point. NO need for us to explain ( we can all read). We are all moving foward with the facts:

Derric recently set up his new 250 gallon
Derric is here to discuss his current experiences with his new 250


forget about it!!:uzi:

 

[sruiz]

Derric , I recenlty fished out 3 large Blue Chromis with a small fishing hook and PeMysis Shrimp. I picked out the whole pieces and slid it on to the little hook within minutes I had a bite. Worked fine and did not hurt the fish at all. This was about 3 weeks ago and all fish are doing fine, I even gave them to a local reefer.

 

[dericcanderson]

Derric , I recenlty fished out 3 large Blue Chromis with a small fishing hook and PeMysis Shrimp. I picked out the whole pieces and slid it on to the little hook within minutes I had a bite. Worked fine and did not hurt the fish at all. This was about 3 weeks ago and all fish are doing fine, I even gave them to a local reefer.

Heck yea that sounds liek a great idea thanks SRUIZ Im on it asap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dericcanderson]

I hate to ruin it for everyone, but Deric, THE GIG IS UP.

I had my suspicions all along, but now I am sure; you are pulling our legs.

I am very new to this hobby, but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that anyone that has had reef tanks for five years HAS to know how to top off.

There is no way you can top off with salt consistently and not experience complete failure within a month or two, let alone 5 years. Not to mention how much freaking salt you would have to go through.

So you can give up the act and let us in on what's really going on with your tanks.

It was fun while it lasted, but there is no way someone with such successful tanks could be this clueless!

Anyways, now that the show is over, I suggest the admins resurrect all of these threads and sticky them as a satirical 'What not to do!'

:uzi: Say hello to my little friend!

I have topepd off with salt and never had a porblem. I use small sumps top off a gallon two at the most its not that much salt and i have never had a problem. I dontunderstand why its so hard to not believe i show proof. If oyu disagree thats fine. There is no gig even the youtube vid they posted about was from like 2 years ago and they seen it there. I topped with salt then also. Sorry if you dont belive my reefing experience buddy But im all abvout taking care of my 250 so thank you and if you have anything positive to help out with please feel free to comment

 

[dericcanderson]

OK guys im really pumped about this. I went o my tank this morning and I saw purple spots groiwng on almost all the pieces of my DIY Live rock!!!!!!!!!!!! Its nothig major as far as size wise but man i tell you it looks nice on there and is really encouraging. On another note last night i went to my tank cuz i heard a funny sound. My water wasnt getting into my sump i was curious and didnt know why I looked up and the worst was happening. My small blue hippo tang got sucked into my pvc overflow. I moved him out with my finger but he dropped to the very bottom.

I was very sad to see this but after i walked to go get my net to scoop him out i saw he moved back to his rock where he hides. I checked in the morning and he was gone but after sitting down and using my computer I turned and saw him swimming side to side across the tank again =) Im very happy again LOL

 

[swanny]

Epic failure.

 

[lhm nole]

This is entertaining:beer:

 

[Floowid]

With all due respect to the dying hippo tang and the beautiful streamer naso soon to follow....

:celeb3::beer::celeb1::celeb2:

Might as well settle in and enjoy the show.
Who wants popcorn!!!