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Avalanche1201

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I just got back to school yesterday and brought my 3gal pico with me. Unfortunatly I was not able to get any live sand at home...so its BB right now w/ roughly 6-7 lbs of LR and 1 Camel shrimp.

I want to get some LS and possibly 2 blue neon gobies. I also want to get polyps, I've never attempted polyps or any other kind of coral so I was wondering if I could get some help for what would be some good ones to get.

I've got 140gph goin so Ive got a nice flow goin...the lighting is a 9w 50/50CF lamp. 7100K Blue/Half 10K White


thanks
 
Your camel shrimp will eat polyps. So it's one or the other.

With that lighting, I don't know if you could really keep any polyps. 9 Watts might not even be able to support zoos or mushrooms and they require the lowest light of most polyps.

I would first...

Get rid of the camel shrimp (sell or give back to local reefer or LFS)

Then put in your sand. Wait maybe a week or two just to make sure you do not get any parameter spikes.

Then if you plan on keep polyps I would invest in a nicer light. They sell 18 and 32 watt PC fixtures that are like 10 inches across or something like that. Try hellolights.com

And finally add some zoos, mushrooms, maybe some ricordea or yumas. And a neon goby or two should do fine but make sure they are eating frozen foods.
 
The camel shrimp will only eat polyps if it is under fed.....It totally reefsafe. I have one and tons and tons of zoa's....

Steve
 
so ill check into the upgrading for the lights, and what are the chances if i dont sell back the shrimp, and get the LS...that they'll be a spike and he wont make it?

besides the LR i've also got 140gph goin...would that help his chances?

edit: Im thinking of doubling up the lighting b/c i love the look of the light now...think it would be enough then w/ two 9w 50/50CF lamp. 7100K Blue/Half 10K White?

or should i upgrade to something different all together?
 
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Fishes- Are you sure yours is a camel shrimp or a peppermint?

Camel shrimp are known to eat polyps. And if fishes DOES have a camel shrimp, and it is being reef safe, it can only rake one time in which he can turn around and kill all your polyps in a day. Adding live sand to a tank can cause a spike because you are going to mixing up all the bacteria in the sand and possibly killing some of it. I would sell the shrimp or give it back anyways. You can always but it again.

As for lighting, 18 watts should be enough to keep low light polyps. But you could also upgrade to like 32 watts or higher and be able to keep other low light corals besides polyps. Depends on what you want and how big your wallet is.

Here look at this:

Camel Shrimp:
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?pCatId=690

Peppermint Shrimp:
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?pCatId=701
 
With that lighting, I don't know if you could really keep any polyps. 9 Watts might not even be able to support zoos or mushrooms and they require the lowest light of most polyps

i respectfully disagree :) I've got a few different zoas and some gsp growing in the same tank as avalanches and they're doing great. It actually only took about a week for the gsp to start growing, and there are baby zoas popping up as well (they've been there longer tho).

However i do plan to add the 2x9w coralife aqualight thing. I'm gonna be making a stand for it and hanging it above the tank.
 
That is great to hear that it seems to work.

With all do respect to your tank and not to argue . . . but I am sure everyone who has ample experience in this hobby can say that what may work for some may not work for all.

I am not saying it wont work for anyone else, but why give these corals the bare minimum of light. Spend the extra couple bucks and get something that is going not only keep them alive, but keep them spreading and keeping their color and size.
 
there are actually a few gobies that will be perfectly happy in a 3g tank. I forget the names tho...it starts w/a c tho...anyways, they only live from 6 weeks to 6 months in the wild anyways, and cost a lot :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9000192#post9000192 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jordan55
Fishes- Are you sure yours is a camel shrimp or a peppermint?

Camel shrimp are known to eat polyps. And if fishes DOES have a camel shrimp, and it is being reef safe, it can only rake one time in which he can turn around and kill all your polyps in a day. Adding live sand to a tank can cause a spike because you are going to mixing up all the bacteria in the sand and possibly killing some of it. I would sell the shrimp or give it back anyways. You can always but it again.

I know the difference between the two and i do have both pepp shrimp and a camel shrimp. None of them pick at any of the polyps except for Aptasia. Just because live aquaria says that they MAY nip at polyps doesnt mean they will actually do it. Maybe i got lucky but all im trying to say is that mine is totally reefsafe. IMO

As for fish in this tank its totally up to you. You could get away with a small clown goby like said above^^. JMHO

Steve :)
 
if i do get fish the only one(s) id get is 1 or 2 neon gobies b/c they get to be less then two inches.

Jordan - I dont want to upgrade to alot better lighting b/c I dont have the money for it. Also this is just my tank for at school...when I get back home Im going to be moving what is in this tank into my 24gal aquapod thats hot 150 HQI lighting that Im going to be setting up

also...how come when u add live sand into a tank thats established it doesnt effect anything (at least the livestock are alright). Is it because the tank is to big for it to effect alot of things?
 
hmm....i got the fish idea from either RC or a nano-reef forum. It had a list of fish that you could have for various size tanks...it said a blue neon would be alright in a .5 gal (i believe that small). I dont know if its good for that small...but i figured if it said it there it would be alright in a 3g. Looking at my tank it seems like theres plenty of room for a 2inch fish.


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if i do double up the lighting, get some low lighting polyps...and go inverts...what would be some good suggestions to go w/?
 
Okay here. . .

Fish: Neon gobies, clown gobis, and some small shrimp gobies like the Hi Fin Red Banded for example all stay under 2.5 inches and could be happy with a 3 gallon. These fish hard swim and if chosen healthy from the start, should be okay. But you have to understand, in a 3 gallon your water parameters can change in a blink of an eye, so you are going to have be cautious and check your water quality atleast 2 times a week.

Lighting: Like mentioned above, 9 watts is not going to get your much in your tank. Even if it can support some of your zoos or mushrooms, they are not going to thrive like we should be giving them. For heavens sake, they are living creatures, lets give them SOME light. In the long run for this tank, even 18 watts would be good and that is only like a 30$ unit.

Corals/ Inverts: Corals like I mentioned . . . different colored zoos, different colored mushrooms, yumas, ricordea, yellow polyps, star polpys, maybe a little finger leather. Inverts: a peppermint shrimp, porceline crab, boxer crab, pistol shrimp, small scarlet cleaner shrimp. Not all these, but maybe a combination of a few. Check out Live Aquaria in the invert section for good ideas.

Sand: In such a big tank with a lot of water volume, adding live sand will not do much because the possibility of death will only affect a small ratio of the whole volume. That is why in such a small a tank, if a fish dies, it can make the whole tank go whack compared to a large tank where it will only do a little damage. That is why you have to check your water conditions so often because the slightest death or even being lazy on evap can make a big difference.

Fishes: I am not trying to argue with you here. Just stating that camel shrimp have a wide history of not being reef safe. And I know that Live Aquaria is not the BEST fish website to compare things at, but a lot of other sites would agree and I am sure others on this board will agree that camel shrimp are usually not considered reef safe. If yours is acting fine in your tank, way to go. That is good and I am glad to hear. But like I mentioned before, it only takes one time for him to get hungry and go after those polyps. Oh, and PS- You probably should have said IME, not IMO because unless you have had some study with multiple camel shrimp being reef safe, it is just yours and maybe a few others experiences where you have gotten a reef safe one.

Anyways, reef on everyone!
 
thanks alot jordan...im gonna doouble the lights to get 18w...ill have to find a LFS to take the shrimp back (ill miss the little guy) and so i have a place to get some frags and such.

thanks again jordan, this weekend ill be setting up an ATO so that will help, and ill make sure to check the params at least twice a week
 
That is great to hear that it seems to work.

With all do respect to your tank and not to argue . . . but I am sure everyone who has ample experience in this hobby can say that what may work for some may not work for all.

I am not saying it wont work for anyone else, but why give these corals the bare minimum of light. Spend the extra couple bucks and get something that is going not only keep them alive, but keep them spreading and keeping their color and size.

I agree. Not everything works for everyone. I was only saying that all the corals (granted thats only a couple zoas and some gsp) that i've put in there have perfect color and have been spreading rapidly. The reason i say that some zoas and gsp (and the like) should be fine in avalanches tank is because based on what has happened for me they've been fine, and i have the exact same tank as avalanche with the exact same light. So assuming avalanche keeps the water quality good (like i have in my 3g pico) then they're shouldnt really be any reason for stuff to not grow. But then again, every coral is different. Yes, i understand that there are variables.

And i also said:
However i do plan to add the 2x9w coralife aqualight thing. I'm gonna be making a stand for it and hanging it above the tank.
:)

I dont want to upgrade to alot better lighting b/c I dont have the money for it

those 2x9w aqualights are only 25 bucks at my lfs (which is always more expensive than other places). So thats not a lot of money. And the bulbs can be found for 6 bucks or so.

For fish....imo you have to watch the particular fish. Stuff like little gobies dont move a lot, even in a large tank. So imo it would be ok to have like one of the little gobies in 3g tanks. They just dont get around a lot. And especially when they're paired up w/a pistol shrimp. Every one i've seen w/a pistol shrimp stays really close to its hole and doesnt venture too far. So im with jordan....there are certain fish that would be perfectly fine in a 3g tank.
 
also if i may suggest...keep that light that is on there too. That way you'll have 3x9w. Run the one that is by itself as a pure actinic. Then on the other 2 i'd do one that is 10K and the other 50/50 with 10K and 03 actinic. That is what i will be doing. That will give me the option to have actinics on independent from the other lights (and i dont think that the little aqualight has 2 switches..otherwise id' just use that and have one 10K and one actinic)
 
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