400G fish list?

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What would work and what would not for my 400G FOWLR

60”W x 42”H x 36”D

1x Emperor Angelfish - Juvenile
3x Pyramid Butterfly - Yellow
1x Raccoon Butterfly
1x Saddleback Butterfly
1x Parrotfish - Princess
1x Achilles Tang
1x Clown Tang
1x Purple Tang - Red Sea
1x Hawaiian Black Trigger
1x Blue Throat Triggers - Male
1x Lunare Wrasse
1x Harlequin Tusk
1x Pennant Fairy Wrasse
1x Humu Rectangle Triggerfish
1x Pinktail Triggerfish
1x Clown triggerfish
 
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Possible, you'll never know with out trying. Butteryflies sometimes tend to be weak, and if they get picked on, torn fins, they most likely will not survive. Clown tangs can get pretty aggressive too.
 
Never heard of a Humu Rectangular fish. There is a Huma Trigger aka Picasso and a Rectangulus trigger. 2 diffrent fish. I think the list is good. Most important is to introduse them weakest/Less aggressive to the more aggressive last. This gives the more mild manner fish a chance to establish territory before introducing the more aggressive ones.
 
sorry thats how it is listed on one of the sites, it is the humuhumunukunukuapua'a that I want! :)

How is this as far as introduction:


3x Pyramid Butterfly - Yellow
1x Raccoon Butterfly
1x Saddleback Butterfly
1x Parrotfish - Princess
1x Achilles Tang
1x Purple Tang - Red Sea
1x Clown Tang
1x Harlequin Tusk
1x Pennant Fairy Wrasse
1x Lunare Wrasse
1x Emperor Angelfish - Juvenile
1x Hawaiian Black Trigger
1x Humu Rectangle Triggerfish
1x Pinktail Triggerfish
1x Clown triggerfish
 
Have you considered a sohal instead of a clown? I only say this b/c I've heard clowns can be more aggressive than a sohal and I've heard they need more highly oxygenated water than a sohal. Plus, IMO, sohals are better looking fish, esp when they get bigger.
 
i disagree. Clowns look pretty good, as the striping is more vibrant then the ones on Sohal.. and there is no bare facial colours on the clown
 
Order seems logical except I'd put the lunare wrasse in last..... still got alot of potentially troublesome fish there - what dimensions doesthe 400 gal have? Effective aquascaping will be key.....

I'd be a little worries abotu putting the lunare wrasse in with other wrasse / parrotfish / tusk......

what sort of sizes are you thinking of for these fish - size can adn will effect stocking order - some fish are very timid as younsters and aggressive with age - others are the opposite..... I specificalyl refer to the clown trigger....

If you get a small one, hich I think you should, then you might want to consider adding it before the angefish - depending of course ont eh size of the angelfish.

A general note on triggers - again I am refering in particular to the clown - as you fish, they tend not to be bullies, as large fish they can be...... whether they go in first or last, if they are going to become a probelm fish its not going to make any difference.... a 10"+ clown trigger can and will kill everything else on your list, if he goes that way.......

Just general notes - thoughts....... rambling really

HTH

Matt
 
That helps a lot! thank you so much!

size is 60”W x 42”H x 36”D

Good call on the lunar wrasse, I will probably omit that one

I usually buy the smallest size available online b/c I like to watch them grow, but I am really open to any suggestions
 
How are you going to clean a 42" tall tank. My 2ft tank is hard enough to clean and you will be at almost 4ft! Going for a swim?
 
Again, just my thoughts and comments:

The dimensions of your tank are going to be visually stunning! BUT, it is going to be very difficult to aquascape that to allow the fish to create and maintain territories. If the tank were something like 120"x30"x30" you would have ALOT more stocking potential, and your list just might work - but in those dimensions - it is in my opinion dodgy......

If I were stocking it, I would be inclined to view it from a territory, not a biological load point of view. While your tank allows alot of scope for the latter, it really doesn't allow all that much more than say a standard 180 (6x2x2) - in my view. Now if you were talking a reef tank, with lots of little fish like grammas and chromis and gobies and so on, you would be able to create a large reef wall, and provide for territory that way..... but if you do that with big fish you are going to push them all into the centre, where trouble is bound to break out.

I'm not trying to tell you what to do here, just giving you my opinion on what I would do if it were my tank - I would omit the following:
3x Pyramid Butterfly - Yellow
1x Parrotfish - Princess
1x Clown Tang
1x Pennant Fairy Wrasse
1x Lunare Wrasse

I say this on the basis that you are not going to be able to provide secluded areas from them to stay out of the way of the "big boys" and if forced to compete directly for food space I do not think they will last that long. I would add that my suggestion to remove these does not follow on to say add something else to the list. You'd still have half a dozen LARGE MEAN AGGRESSIVE fish in that space, and another 4 or 5 medium bodied...... that is still alot in my view, and in a few years time you'll end up having to review your stocking levels.

Just to reiterate - this is just what I WOULD DO........
And the tank is still going to look spectacular.......

HTH

Matt
 
thank you soooo much, most of those fish were'nt must haves anyway!

How about doing this:

For my 400 FOWLR:

Currently stock:

2x true percs

I would like to add in order of addition:

2x Raccoon Butterfly
1x Vagabond Butterfly
1x Achilles Tang
1x Clown Tang
1x Emperor Angelfish - Juvenile
1x Hawaiian Black Trigger
1x Humu Rectangle Triggerfish
1x Pinktail Triggerfish



For my 210 reef:

Currently stock:

1x Sohal tang
1x Naso tang
1x powder brown tang (will be trying to catch and get rid of)
2x false percs
1x skunk clown
1x coral beauty (will be trying to catch and get rid of)
2x chromis
1x engeneering goby


I would like to add all at the same time to confuse the current fish in there:

maybe some anthias?
2x pyramid Butterfly
1x blue throat trigger male
1x blue throat trigger female
 
Well first off let me state I'm no expert, so don't take my word as gospil - I have however made several mistakes in the last 10yrs and learned by them, and I think you are seriously reducing your risk of avoiding such mistakes by dramtically reducing yours stocking list, as you are.

I would particularly note the clown trigger is gone - which is a good move, in my view. Cool fish, but just too much uncertainty in my view.

2 racoon butterflies - I have read several times that racoons are a 1 only affair - two will fight. Maybe go for a single racoon and a single saddle back - or maybe a pair of saddle backs?

Your 210 sounds good - maybe a little heavy on thestocking side, especially if it is intended to be reef orientated - in theory introducing the lot is a good idea, only because of the sohal. Might be an idea to swap the sohal to the new tank and put the the new clown tang in the old tank?

Good luck and post pics when available!

HTH

Matt
 
Hmm...I thought I read somewhere they could be in pairs or in small groups but I could be way wrong I will have to re-check that. I really want some sort of schooling butterfly :)


The Sohal is in the 210 b/c everyone said that they would do better in the longer tank and since he is already kind big I think I would rather put the smaller clown tang in the 400G....but of course always open for suggestions! :)

Here are pics of the build...nothing exciting yet

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1209693
 
yes - the 210 is better for the sohal I suppose - wasn't really thinking..... plus it looks like your 210 is 7' long? I thought it was a 6 footer.
 
I have a bunch of wimps in my tanks that still don't come out much but here are the ones I got so far!

The 210G
The old guys
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The huge male naso, looks like he was flashing against rocks, wherever he was.
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The only anthias that comes out
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Clam
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the zosters have some fin missing, but seem to be eating, and aren't getting harassed as much as when they first got in there
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another old guy
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Man I wish I could get those chromis out
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More of the big guy
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