5 year old Greenhouse Update

Very nice setup. I am sure that all the upating will soon payoff. What type of corals in your experince are just to diffucult to culture in a GH? What types are currently in the system. It seems that the lps are sure living it up:)
 
@hamburglar - Thanks for the complement. Photography is a lot of fun and it's a hobby that I picked up through this reef hobby. I spend a lot of time on this site's photography forum now chatting about gear and technique. There are a lot of knowledgeable folks here.

@aqua_reef_01 - I'll send you a PM. Thanks for your interest.

@Logzor - The greenhouse is actually in Copley, OH near Akron. I split my time between Akron and Athens. From Cincy, it would be about 4 hours (compared to 3 hours to Athens). Perhaps one weekend I can entertain a group from Cincy if you guys decide to plan a trip up.

@H20ENG - I dropped off RC for a couple of years. I would like to say it was because I was busy getting my law degree, but in reality it was an addiction to online video games. I was working as a Biotech consultant full time, doing law school in the evenings, and finding a way to fit in about 40 hours a week of video games. Oh yeah, and running this business on the side. It was a pretty crazy time.

@OceansParadise - The corals that have done the best so far are the more hardy stony corals like Acanthastrea and the hammers/torches/frogspawn. Zoanthids and mushrooms have done well too. All of them grow really well in the winter and get incredibly colorful. In the summer they get a lot more pale.

I can't grow Acropora at all it seems. They need tons of light that does not fluctuate much. A greenhouse in Ohio is not so good for that given the changes in seasons. Even some of the SPS that are more light tolerant like Montipora grow but have disappointing colors. Still, there are far more corals that grow well than do not. It's not possible to have every coral happy in a system like this but a good 90% are doing very well. It's just the 10% that make it a little more frustrating.
 
The corals look incredible.

I think as long as you are trying to be informative and presenting information they wont bother this thread.

They don't want commercial sellers coming on and throwing sale offers up and their website ect. You have made no mention of your retail site, selling to members there ect.

On that not I'd love to see more of the full system. If you would or if I missed it talk about some of the husbandry of the system, WCs skimmer, that type of thing. Are there fish in the system/ Remember pictures are worth a 1000 words
 
@Wolverine - Thanks again for posting the old thread from way back. I read through it all, and it's like a time capsule. There were so many unknowns at that time, and it was really interesting to remember the thought process of designing these systems. Several of the assumptions made turned out to be false, and now so much has changed with the greenhouse.

Anyhow, here are some pictures from last fall of the systems full of coral. Front of the system with the 125-gallon photography tanks:
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Back of the system with the grow-out tanks:
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Closer view of the grow-out tanks:
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One of the skimmers:
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I like to experiment with equipment a lot and at the time, I received some money from a business plan competition in NE Ohio. I used some of it to buy this RK2 self-cleaning skimmer. I also have 2 GEO skimmers and an Orca 250 skimmer on the newest system. I don't think there is a ton of difference in terms of performance, but so far I like this big one the best. It is the lowest maintenance because it has its own spray jets and once a month I climb a ladder and hose out the algae that the spray jets can't handle. Later on down the line I might replace the Orca 250 with one of these.
 
Thanks for the info. I would only imagine the limitations of species but it is also nice to know that u took an animal from the ocean and are able to grow it outdoors in Ohio. I would like to try something on a smaller scale next spring (but have been warned that if ur gonna do it go big). I have been reading alot about GH's for the last several months. I would eventualy like to move most of my tanks outdoors in direct light. I currently have a curently have a pair of solomon Island True Perc that have been have offspring for the last 8 months and the tanks are starting to add up really quick. I have done some reading on how natural sun light helps in the striping of the fry. So i decided to set up a few tanks over by a window with some direct light through out the day. Comparing it to some of the other fry that were born Before the batch that was in the window. I did notice that the younger fry were stiping out much faster then the others under strip lights. So with having the clowns doing well I decided To move some of my mushrooms in the tank with them and they are splitting as well.

What worries me is my location up in ND but if the can do it some where than the ocean I guess u can do it anywhere. lol The temps here do get quite cold up here and that is a major concern. As for summers This Year we only hit around 100 degrees maybe 6 or 7 times. So summer might be a little easier to maintain.

Any Input is vey helpful if i should attempt this next year or if i should tyr a different Eco friendly route (we are a vey windy state up here and a windmill is a very plausable idea fo being more eco friendly and be in a more secure structure)
 
@nauticac4 - Husbandry has been pretty simple, really. In many ways no different than a smaller system. We do water changes every week on a single 1000-gallon system meaning each system gets a monthly water change. In the past, the systems got neglected in terms of water changes and there were periods where a system would not see a water change for 3 months. Over time, I believed this was the cause for our water chemistry to suffer. The Ca, Alk, and Mg are pretty low in the tanks, so that's what made me go out and buy calcium reactors for everything.

We do spot feed the corals regularly. Every other day we do the spot feeding and throw in a little food on the off days for the fish.

As far as fish go, I have a combo that I jokingly call the 'holy trinity.' It is the combination of a Ctenochaetus tang (Kole/Chevron/Tomini/Twinspot/etc.), Fox Face, and an Orange Spot Goby. The tang and fox face do a really great job of handling most types of algae whether it be the film type or the macroalgae variety. I don't think I will ever have a tank that doesn't include these two fish. The other thing I like about this combo is that the Ctenochaetus genus of tangs is one of the most docile. There is almost zero drama having both a fox face and tang in the same tank. In fact they tend to hang out together more than they are apart.

The Orange Spot Goby is the best sand sifter I've found. I have one in each of the six 125-gallon glass photography tanks. A single fish keeps the sand white and clean. Without the fish there, the sand would quickly turn brown (within 48 hours). The only problem I have with the gobies is that they tend to jump out a lot. We've put egg crate on the tank and the fish still manage to make it out.

The only fish we have that doesn't have a 'job' is a single tomato clown that lives in our bubble anemone tank.

@OceansParadise - If I was going to do something in ND, I would try a lean-to style greenhouse building rather than something like I've done. You really only need a south-facing lean-to design to gather the light and the walls on the north end can be insulated with residential materials. The more insulation you have the better off you will be. It certainly costs more up front, but I think you will quickly realize the importance of doing it right from the beginning.

They make polycarbonate sheets that are triple and quadruple layer specifically for places that have cold temperatures and pile snow on the structure. I would look into using a material like that. A 16mm triple wall polycarbonate sheet has an R-value of 2.5. If you used two of these with an air gap in the middle, you would get something close to an R-value of 7 which is really good.
 
Really nice update Than, thank you for sharing. I'm glad it seems things are working for the better.. and I think you're nuts to do this, law school, and video games! I can definitely vouch for the addiction! ;)
 
WOW Than! Incredibly well done. I particularly like the hot air vents that work by thermal expansion versus an active electric mechanism.

You've inspired me to dream bigger. Thank you.
 
Great setup! What type of circulation do you use? I think I read on one of your other threads saying you used Reverse Carlson Surge Device. If so could you explain how yours operate? Finding information on RCSDs is very hard.
 
Hey, do not know if you rember me, but Travis and I were there many years ago when you first started. We had you ship us all the corals we picked out. On the tour of greenhouses we saw 4 and your was the best for smaller setups. The other one we saw was in Detriot and it is been there for 10 years plus some, and is a full business. Your was what we wanted to do, except never did.

Glad all is well, can you PM me, your website and pricelist.

thanks,

Grant
 
@Electrobes - Thankfully, most of that has subsided. I somehow shook the addiction and got done with law school, so I have MUCH more free time now to do stuff like... I don't know... improve the greenhouse!

@Reef Bass - Thanks! This project has been a labor of love and now my family is really into it. It's really rewarding when it all comes together.

@Reeferon - I think the corals look better in the fall because of the light. In the summer the light is very intense and the photoperiod is much longer. This causes two problems sunburn and algae. Most of the corals I keep like much lower light levels and the increased photoperiod stops their growth and bleaches them. Even with shading, they show signs of overexposure. The additional light makes for more algae which can overwhelm weakened corals. In the fall, everything is just about right. Next summer we are going to do more in terms of shading to see if that helps. I'll have some photos to share on that topic soon.

@yukonblizzard - I abandoned the idea of the reverse Carlson surge device.
The problem I ran into was the device's buoyancy. When you want to make a bigger surge, you have to create a larger device. The problem with a larger device is that it takes a lot of air to build up before it surges. Lots of air = buoyancy. We were weighing it down with concrete cinder blocks and it worked ok for a while but when a little bit of water evaporated the device went up. It takes a lot of weight to keep the device down, so I decided to pitch it.

@tangdiver - I remember! How are those corals doing? Hopefully the purple Blastomussa made it after all these years! In fact, we lost all our corals in a 2007 blizzard, so if you have frags of that coral, I want to buy one back :)
 
This past weekend one of our projects was to hang these steel fences over each 300-gallon tank. A few years ago, my parents hung these fences over their orchid tables:
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They asked at that time whether I wanted to do something similar over my tanks, but I decided not to mainly because I was worried they would block too much light and I didn't have a good use for them.

Time certainly have changed. As I've mentioned before, "not enough light" isn't a problem except for some light loving SPS. I've also since found some really good uses for these floating shelves. First off, space in the greenhouse is at a premium and more places to manage clutter is better than less. The fences are also a great place to put additional shading in the summer. In the newest set of tanks, we hang lights down from the fence to provide light into the 300-gallon tanks and I think in the future we will do the same over the other six 300-gallon tubs.

A view of how they look over the tanks:
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My dad and I installing one:
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Than - That is really interesting, thanks for posting that idea. In June of next year there is a high possibility of my family moving, and if we do (And assuming my rock business is doing decently) I get a greenhouse!

Interestingly I'll be using the greenhouse for it's temperature uses, not for the light.. so having that extra space would be absolutely key! Out of curiosity.. how much weight can those shelves hold?
 
@Electrobes - I'll keep my fingers crossed for you on that possible greenhouse in the future. As far as those shelves go, I'm not really sure how much weight they can hold. I suppose it depends a lot on the type of wires used to hang the fence. We use these metal wires. Weight wasn't a huge consideration because we weren't planning on putting much more than 10 lbs on top.
 
You'll also have to factor in how much additional weight the greenhouse frame was designed to hold. (assuming that's what you're hanging them from) My guess is they didn't over engineer it too much since that would unnecessarily increase the price.

--Ed
 
This looks pretty cool. You mentioned that you had, over the years, found several things that you had planned out and in the end it just didn't work out the way you thought. Would you mind telling us some of the things you'd start differently if you were doing it again?
 
I remember your first thread. Its nice to see the update!! How do the corals do at lower temps in the winter? Do you remove certain types in the winter? How are growth rates?

-Will
 
dendronepthya
beautiful green house it looks amazing and looks to me as it is greatly helping with the health of your corals!

if you are selling any frags PM me i would love to see some more close up shots
 
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