5th times the charm for blue tang?

[Dmorty217]

"There are recent studies that link long-term use of garlic to liver problems"

LOL, come on pal!!!

MrTuskfish knows his stuff and also I would listen to his advice over 99% of people who post "what they think they know" just a FYI

 

[spieszak]

I've given up on asking people to properly QT or treat.
I've now just decided that what I will say is
Please stop killing fish because caring for them properly is to hard or a little too expensive for you. If you took that same attitude with another animal, say dog(s) or cat(s), you'd likely see jail time over the long run. Take a moment to really consider that.

 

[CHSUB]

Just a 5 second Google:

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-222535.html

http://www.3reef.com/forums/fish-food/garlic-bad-fish-liver-126031.html

http://www.ultimatereef.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2406525&postcount=13

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/garlicfaqs.htm

This isn't new, nor is it purely anecdotal ; there are experts on this forum who have said this for years. Let me know if its still funny, I love a good joke!

well, you got me!!! but it still is funny, maybe these "experts" got to much time on their hands? "garlic causing liver damage in clownfish", who paid for that study? ROFLMAO

 

[MrTuskfish]

I've given up on asking people to properly QT or treat.
I've now just decided that what I will say is
Please stop killing fish because caring for them properly is to hard or a little too expensive for you. If you took that same attitude with another animal, say dog(s) or cat(s), you'd likely see jail time over the long run. Take a moment to really consider that.

Well put. IMO, 99% of the "managed ich" comments are just looking for an easier way out. Some things never change and this is one of them.

 

[jaa1456]

I'd post this in the disease forum. I've never heard of Dr.G's working at all. I have read that several folks haven't been able to get their fish to eat it.

I was trying to contribute to this thread actually. I have bought the stuff and I use it in my QT. None of the fish ate it right away even in my DT's when I tried to feed them. It was weird watching them pass on food, even my Black Tang who pushes everyone else out of the way. I would say after 2-3 days the fish in the QT started to try it and by the end of the week they were eating it. I dont feed it to the DT's, for one I dont need to foul up my water with uneaten food and secondly well all the fish have gone through QT, except a few wrasses i have.

 

[MrTuskfish]

well, you got me!!! but it still is funny, maybe these "experts" got to much time on their hands? "garlic causing liver damage in clownfish", who paid for that study? ROFLMAO

Let me know when you're off the floor (yeah, even at age 65, I know the acronyms my kids used to use); let me know. I'll fill you in on who many of these studies are paid by....that's the really funny part.

 

[gone fishin]

That's what people always advise, garlic is like the vitamin C of the fish, so it should do something to the then.

Gives them bad breath
Garlic won't cure ich, only thing to cure ich is treat livestock and tank, if you wan't to get rid of ich, you have to QT your fish and treat with HYPO, cooper or tank transfer method and leave your main display without fish for at least 10 weeks to be sure all ich is gone.

But, the thing is this can be done if you have few/small fish, otherwise you probably don't have were to put all your fish comfortably, and here is were the hypothesis of my theory begins, people with big tank don't QT after they get ich because they simply can't, and after a while nothing happens.

I Have a 180 if I got Ich I would pull the fish.

If you keep good husbandry and your parameters are in check, your fish are healthy and fat, you probably won't have any problems with ich, i don't know anybody with this conditions that have lost any fish to ich, and i have a lot of friends with SW tanks here, not online guys, real long term tanks.

I have 2 friends that have 15+ and 12+ years and the hobby, those are the most experienced reef keepers i know, have always told me, don't worry about ich, just check your parameters and keep your fish well feed and everything will do the rest by it's own.

 

[spieszak]

I was trying to contribute to this thread actually. I have bought the stuff and I use it in my QT. None of the fish ate it right away even in my DT's when I tried to feed them. It was weird watching them pass on food, even my Black Tang who pushes everyone else out of the way. I would say after 2-3 days the fish in the QT started to try it and by the end of the week they were eating it. I dont feed it to the DT's, for one I dont need to foul up my water with uneaten food and secondly well all the fish have gone through QT, except a few wrasses i have.

Retailers have hosed us for years with snake oil that claims to do something it doesn't do. I am in no way saying this product doesn't have possibilities, and from the little I've read, it actually is one of the few that have a little basis in some scientific methods. What I am saying is that with known methods that work, and industry history, its hard for me to even WANT to evaluate the product. It would be awesome if there were some real research happening, but its unlikely to see funding in that it doesn't really have application outside the hobby.
And that part sucks more than any other. Retailers have put hobbyists in the position to immediately reject claims on new products, and because of the number of variables involved in proper testing, most if not all of us are not able to setup, or not confident enough in claims, to do a proper examination.
If you choose a product like this, it has to be because you are willing to deal with the consequences when it doesn't work... which means being ready to rip apart a tank, properly treat all inhabitants, and leave the tank fallow for extended periods.
Most folks given the lack of probability of success are much better off working with a method that has a track record. Choosing another method, even when it results in what feels like success, has to honestly be considered no more than an experiment. And I personally don't feel like I want to risk my DT to that. Your experience may vary.
It all comes back to the willingness of the person to move to a proven method given the experiment fails. If you want to be the guinea pig, so be it, but please ensure that you have the capabilities and desire to move quickly it to ensure the welfare of your tank inhabitants should the scenario warrant it. In that specific scenario my original comment still applies. The method you choose is still harder and more expensive, given you are moving in a direction that is likely to result in having to start again with something proven. You are not willfully killing fish because its a pain in the arse to do what is necessary, you are attempting a process that may or may not work with the knowledge that the method will likely fail, and have the knowledge and desire to ensure the proper treatment in the event of that failure.

 

[spieszak]

Let me know when you're off the floor (yeah, even at age 65, I know the acronyms my kids used to use); let me know. I'll fill you in on who many of these studies are paid by....that's the really funny part.

Learned a lot today from this, and another thread, in that I had no idea that garlic was linked to issues. Having "blown off" garlic as the cure all people posit it as, I never really looked into it, assuming it just had no real value, rather than considering the possibility it could be harmful.
Thought some might like this post on anther thread along with the other links provided.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21177073&postcount=8

 

[gone fishin]

Learned a lot today from this, and another thread, in that I had no idea that garlic was linked to issues. Having "blown off" garlic as the cure all people posit it as, I never really looked into it, assuming it just had no real value, rather than considering the possibility it could be harmful.
Thought some might like this post on anther thread along with the other links provided.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21177073&postcount=8

Thanks for the post it is very interesting and knowledgeable. But people will continue to :deadhorse1:

 

[jaa1456]

Retailers have hosed us for years with snake oil that claims to do something it doesn't do. I am in no way saying this product doesn't have possibilities, and from the little I've read, it actually is one of the few that have a little basis in some scientific methods. What I am saying is that with known methods that work, and industry history, its hard for me to even WANT to evaluate the product. It would be awesome if there were some real research happening, but its unlikely to see funding in that it doesn't really have application outside the hobby.
And that part sucks more than any other. Retailers have put hobbyists in the position to immediately reject claims on new products, and because of the number of variables involved in proper testing, most if not all of us are not able to setup, or not confident enough in claims, to do a proper examination.
If you choose a product like this, it has to be because you are willing to deal with the consequences when it doesn't work... which means being ready to rip apart a tank, properly treat all inhabitants, and leave the tank fallow for extended periods.
Most folks given the lack of probability of success are much better off working with a method that has a track record. Choosing another method, even when it results in what feels like success, has to honestly be considered no more than an experiment. And I personally don't feel like I want to risk my DT to that. Your experience may vary.
It all comes back to the willingness of the person to move to a proven method given the experiment fails. If you want to be the guinea pig, so be it, but please ensure that you have the capabilities and desire to move quickly it to ensure the welfare of your tank inhabitants should the scenario warrant it. In that specific scenario my original comment still applies. The method you choose is still harder and more expensive, given you are moving in a direction that is likely to result in having to start again with something proven. You are not willfully killing fish because its a pain in the arse to do what is necessary, you are attempting a process that may or may not work with the knowledge that the method will likely fail, and have the knowledge and desire to ensure the proper treatment in the event of that failure.

well like I said I QT my fish, I only bought this stuff with assumption it could only help the fish in QT, hoping it will not hurt them.

 

[Breadman03]

Let me know when you're off the floor (yeah, even at age 65, I know the acronyms my kids used to use); let me know. I'll fill you in on who many of these studies are paid by....that's the really funny part.

I'm not disputing your statement at all, but I am curious who's paying. I would think that public aquariums or distributors would have an interest in it, but it's probably the Pennsylvania DOT worried that their latest highway paint was going to wipe out a reef.