600 Gallon Upgrade Build

[Newbie Aquarist]

here here! can't wait to see it being used to fill a tank!

Eventhough having two 275 gallon capacity bin, I see it happening this way.
with just the tank, actual internal measurements are 94.5"Lx22.5"Wx23"H and after rock and sand I am estimating about 400-410 gallons in the tank, an operating sump of 52 gallons, the 90 gallon refugium, and still debating adding a 40 gallon grow out tank,should put me at about 600 gallons. It takes about 3 days to fill the RO/DI 4 days total for the system to be fully operation, one single day without the coral grow out tank.

That's cool. I think it is important for people to see that these tanks can be beautiful and grand no matter what the size of your wallet.

The important constant is not $$ invested but <3 <3 invested.

Lead on my man!

So true. I try to lead by example as best way possible. At the same time even with a new system or building a system, best advice that has been said over and over and over, "Go slow, let it grow."

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

New Plumbing

New Plumbing

Today is the day I go in for my procedure. :dance::dance::dance: :celeb3::celeb3::celeb3: I had a plumbing question to pass along to everyone so once I recover I would have some input from fellow reefers. I have decided to go with 4 sea swirls as returns for my tank. I would like to get about 1000 gallons per hour coming out of each sea swirl.

What size pump/pumps would I need to accomplish my requirement from to after all the plumbing leading to the sea swirls? Here is a schematic drawing as reference. Oh yea, I am using the 1" sea swirls.

 

[worm5406]

Well a Waveline 12000 would only make about 3000g per hour.

So we need to increase to a larger pump.

BUT a waveline 20000 is about 5200 gal per hour... With a max head of about 7 meters (21 feet)

So that would do good, as an example.

I use that as an example because of the adjustable flow rate of the controllable motor.

But we may want to look at some other Low Wattage/ High Flow pumps such as ReeFlo Snapper, Dart, Barracuda, Hammerhead, and the Dolphin line. (Just to name a few)

 

[dave.m]

Consider that your network of 1" pipes would require something that could pump the required amount to a 4" wide output pipe in your calculations. Don't try to treat it as one x 1" pipe.

Dave.M

 

[RJT]

Good luck with your procedure.

I don't have a lot of experience with pumps but based on my 30" high tank my mag18 pits out around 500gph out of 2 returns using flexible tubing. With your angles you probably need at least 7k g

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

Well a Waveline 12000 would only make about 3000g per hour.

So we need to increase to a larger pump.

BUT a waveline 20000 is about 5200 gal per hour... With a max head of about 7 meters (21 feet)

So that would do good, as an example.

I use that as an example because of the adjustable flow rate of the controllable motor.

But we may want to look at some other Low Wattage/ High Flow pumps such as ReeFlo Snapper, Dart, Barracuda, Hammerhead, and the Dolphin line. (Just to name a few)

I would probably go with two pumps to run 2 sea swirls each. Are the 12000s out yet?

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

Consider that your network of 1" pipes would require something that could pump the required amount to a 4" wide output pipe in your calculations. Don't try to treat it as one x 1" pipe.

Dave.M

The 4ft is the head lost to the junction. Sorry if I explained that wrong.

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

Good luck with your procedure.

I don't have a lot of experience with pumps but based on my 30" high tank my mag18 pits out around 500gph out of 2 returns using flexible tubing. With your angles you probably need at least 7k g

7000 gallons? To achieve what I want? Wow.

And thanks. Procedure went well. Just really sore and beginning to get groggy.

 

[RJT]

Phone hit send before I finished. 7000gph

But that's just my guess based on my head loss. I lose around 40% due to head loss (going from pump to return lines). I am not sure if a Mag is good/bad or average in regards to head loss but the more 90 degree angles you have the worse the head loss becomes.

Glad the procedure went well.

 

[worm5406]

7000 gallons? To achieve what I want? Wow.

And thanks. Procedure went well. Just really sore and beginning to get groggy.

I can not wait to see tonights posts then.

Remember we can not pump sand through the pipes into our water tank.

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

Phone hit send before I finished. 7000gph

But that's just my guess based on my head loss. I lose around 40% due to head loss (going from pump to return lines). I am not sure if a Mag is good/bad or average in regards to head loss but the more 90 degree angles you have the worse the head loss becomes.

Glad the procedure went well.

Ok cool.

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

I can not wait to see tonights posts then.

Remember we can not pump sand through the pipes into our water tank.

Really man. Man I was so determined.

 

[worm5406]

Really man. Man I was so determined.

Yeah... Real glad the surgery went well. When does rehab start?

 

[ReefKeeper64]

From David Saxby... Avoid all hard 90 degree turns in your PVC construction. Use sweep 90's instead to cut back on restriction. http://www.lowes.com/pd_23359-1814-PVC+00304++0600_0__

Oversize your pipe as much as possible. Connect an adapter right off the pump outlet so that you can push your water through 2" PVC up to the junction where the one pipe breaks out into 4 channels at the manifold.

From the Manifold to the sea swirls, run your 1 1/2" pipe and leverage sweep 90's where needed.

Clic-original brand pipe clamps to secure your pipe and give it that finished look. These are reusable and convenient because you can unclick them and re-click the pipe back in place any time. To mount them to your stand, just screw them directly into the wood where you need them at. http://www.clic-original.com/index.cfm?nav=3,50&SID=2&DID=1

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

Yeah... Real glad the surgery went well. When does rehab start?

Next week depending on how the knee feels and if I can apply pressure on it. Here are the before and after shots.
Before.

After.

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

From David Saxby... Avoid all hard 90 degree turns in your PVC construction. Use sweep 90's instead to cut back on restriction. http://www.lowes.com/pd_23359-1814-PVC+00304++0600_0__

Oversize your pipe as much as possible. Connect an adapter right off the pump outlet so that you can push your water through 2" PVC up to the junction where the one pipe breaks out into 4 channels at the manifold.

From the Manifold to the sea swirls, run your 1 1/2" pipe and leverage sweep 90's where needed.

Clic-original brand pipe clamps to secure your pipe and give it that finished look. These are reusable and convenient because you can unclick them and re-click the pipe back in place any time. To mount them to your stand, just screw them directly into the wood where you need them at. http://www.clic-original.com/index.cfm?nav=3,50&SID=2&DID=1

Thanks for the info bruh. Tony Vargas told me to do the same thing.

 

[worm5406]

Next week depending on how the knee feels and if I can apply pressure on it. Here are the before and after shots.
Before.

After.

Nice... Glad they could see through that tiny scope. LOL

 

[Newbie Aquarist]

Thanks for fixing that and you are a straight fool.

 

[dave.m]

The primal kneed.

Dave.M

 

[theReefKing]

I joined the army in 1982 and in the mid 90's i took a six year break and then joined the reserves. I didn't have an exciting military life until I started doing lots of classified stuff all the way up to Iraq. But after my injury they retired me at 17 1/2 years so this build is on a military budget thus it being slow. But once up and running I am able to maintain the tank.

From David Saxby... Avoid all hard 90 degree turns in your PVC construction. Use sweep 90's instead to cut back on restriction. http://www.lowes.com/pd_23359-1814-PVC+00304++0600_0__

Oversize your pipe as much as possible. Connect an adapter right off the pump outlet so that you can push your water through 2" PVC up to the junction where the one pipe breaks out into 4 channels at the manifold.

From the Manifold to the sea swirls, run your 1 1/2" pipe and leverage sweep 90's where needed.

Clic-original brand pipe clamps to secure your pipe and give it that finished look. These are reusable and convenient because you can unclick them and re-click the pipe back in place any time. To mount them to your stand, just screw them directly into the wood where you need them at. http://www.clic-original.com/index.cfm?nav=3,50&SID=2&DID=1

That is good stuff. Mental note. Who am I kidding.. I'm writing that down.