Ugh Snorkle Bob, right?
610 dead fish in Hawaii garbage
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Ugh Snorkle Bob, right?
jenglish
Marquis de Carabas
I think not culling some fish is worse than culling them. I feel when you take out natural selection you need to do a little artificial selection from time to time with fish that would not have made it in the wild.
I do agree overall that folks often jump to the conclusion that it was some nefarious fishing method or irresponsible wholesaler. I have easily seen 610 fish die in thread on RC and other sites, just usually not more than 10-15 at a time. I also acknowledge that when you get a healthy fish, you have to realize there were a certain % of shipping losses you are not seeing to include in your personal stake of what you helped remove from the reef.
This quote from the article was news to this "ignorant" reefkeeper, I was under the impression that mortality rates upon arrival or within a week to a LFS were over 50% because transport caused such stress. Does aquiring Ich within a week or two of arrival constitute a "healthy" fish ????
"We work very hard to keep all fish alive and very healthy. Nearly all fish collected arrive to the hobbyist alive. If care is not taken, collectors do not get paid."
I would of assumed collectors get paid when the big wholesalers cut them a check, not when the hobbyist buys the fish at a LFS......No ??
"We work very hard to keep all fish alive and very healthy. Nearly all fish collected arrive to the hobbyist alive. If care is not taken, collectors do not get paid."
I would of assumed collectors get paid when the big wholesalers cut them a check, not when the hobbyist buys the fish at a LFS......No ??
Sardaukar
Premium Member
In the time it took you to write those 3 words, tens of thousands of fish were trawled up by commercial fishing boats.
RoganTerrance
Young Reefer
Thats not kool
Holyreefer
Octopus Extreme 300 Skimr
WOW...THATs a really sad sight!
Who would do something like that...My Goodness
Who would do something like that...My Goodness
cortez marine
In Memoriam
I know this from shrimpboat experience in Mexico. My goodness...no one here who ever eats shrimp should have the nerve to comment....least of all those enrolled in eco-therapy as a soul cleanser.
For every kilo of shrimp we took, we would shovel over the side 15 shovelfulls of misc. broken, busted up fish biomass. Often I would find cortez angels, anglerfish, little rays, seahorses, butterflys, wrasses, triggers, snappers etc.[ not to mention odd deepwater gorgonions, purple corals, a dead turtle etc.]
I think this early experience taught me a lot of what extreme tokenism we "good guys" often practice.
The selective way in which we propose one virtue to conceal our other faults in attempt to trump another.
Oh, its the ol "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones at people who keep aquariums thing."
Steve
a-T-m
New member
Agree 100%
It's sad that all those fish died, BUT only a small percent of fish killed are due collection; most die because of the fishing industry. What angers me more than 600 fish in this article are the fact that all the people commenting on the article and "trying to make a difference" are attacking the wrong guys. If they really wanted to help save the ocean then their efforts would be concentrated on the fishing industry and not attacking us hobbyists.
returnofsid
New member
There's absolutely no information, to back up that this was a wholesale company, who sold these fish to anyone. For all we know, this could be a collector, who'd experienced minor fish deaths, over a period of time, and stored the dead fish in his freezer. In fact, if I remember the article correctly, there was mention made about it appearing these fish had died at different times, and had been frozen.
It could also be due to a major piece of equipment malfunctioning. There are those of us who would have LOTS of fish, coral, clam, anemone, etc. death, if we had something as simple as a heater malfunction.
It could also be due to a major piece of equipment malfunctioning. There are those of us who would have LOTS of fish, coral, clam, anemone, etc. death, if we had something as simple as a heater malfunction.
h2oimports
New member
wow.. that is alot of fish
It was posted a few threads down from this one
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1820710
It was posted a few threads down from this one
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1820710
Wow....when you watch this video and see the sharp decline in these species over the past 10 years it becomes really difficult to justify buying them....and makes me more in favor of captive bred than ever.
Golden Angel
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I wish we knew why they did it.
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