A ~19,000 Gallon Aquarium

It looks like your problem is evaporation. This will drive up all of the numbers as the water is concentrated.

You need to get two tests done, tank water and sea water. Your water is limited by what the sea is providing. If the levels are high in the sea, you need to dilute with freshwater.

A more aggressive flow-through system will likely solve your problems but you need to ascertain what time of day has the best water quality in the sea.
 
It looks like your problem is evaporation. This will drive up all of the numbers as the water is concentrated.

You need to get two tests done, tank water and sea water. Your water is limited by what the sea is providing. If the levels are high in the sea, you need to dilute with freshwater.

A more aggressive flow-through system will likely solve your problems but you need to ascertain what time of day has the best water quality in the sea.
I Agree. I think maroun.c had the same thoughts elsewhere. One question though: How can go about checking what time has the best water quality?

How is it different? If I want to make a litre of standard strength seawater, I dissolve 35 grammes of solid into it.

This table might have some of the answer: http://www.lenntech.com/composition-seawater.htm

nahham, I guess you're in the gulf proper?
I am in the gulf :)
 
You need to get some test kits to do some of your own testing. The water chemistry (calcium, magnesium, carbonates and salinity) will not vary, but the water quality (nitrogen, phosphorous, turbidity, and bacteria) will.

It may not vary much. It really isn't my field of expertise, but you want the low nutrient water from farther out on the reefs. This water comes in with the tides.

I wouldn't worry too much about when you collect it, just make sure that you don't have pollution from boat motors etc. The priority is to keep the water exchanging.
 
one could install a conductivity controller on the aquarium and that could switch on and off a freshwater supply to regulate the salinity in the aquarium
 
one could install a conductivity controller on the aquarium and that could switch on and off a freshwater supply to regulate the salinity in the aquarium

Excellent idea. The Profilux you have can do this. You can even have a secondary parameter to shut the pump off, such as PH, temperature, or ORP.

Alternatively, you can monitor tank parameters and use them to govern when larger water changes are necessary; for example, if your ORP, PH, or salinity/TDS fall out of line you could have the controller turn on a second pump from the sea for greater turnover. All this can be done with the ATO function.

Monitoring the water level of the display and topping it off with pure freshwater will also keep the salinity and subsequent elements stable, at least from a concentration standpoint.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, you need to add the elements that are in deficit, if any (calcium, magnesium, carbonates, strontium, iodine/iodide etc.), and remove anything that is in excess, including the ones listed above through dilution (freshwater) as well as any excess nutrients (nitrogen, phosphates, silicates, bacteria etc.). The latter can be assimilated/dissimilated by a mangrove or seagrass trench, ozonation, UV irradiation, mechanical filtration, and carbon. If you can find a cost effective source of activated carbon that is low in phosphates and nitrates it will be the most effective method, as it can remove 80% of the TOC (total organic carbon, including particulate/POC and dissolved/DOC). Carbon is the best tool for turning yellow water, rich in tannins and pigmented organics, into crystal clear water without removing the "good stuff" such as salts. It can however remove too much "good" bacteria, but not in a single pass as the seawater is imported into the display tank.
 
I would not rely on a conductivity probe, they are not reliable enough in my opinion to control anything, I use one and it fluctuates a great deal, have replaced it regularly, have calibrated it regularly, but when I check it against my refractometer it's rarely accurate
 
I would not rely on a conductivity probe, they are not reliable enough in my opinion to control anything, I use one and it fluctuates a great deal, have replaced it regularly, have calibrated it regularly, but when I check it against my refractometer it's rarely accurate

Interesting. What do you consider unreliable range of fluctuation? I've been using the same cheapo pinpoint monitor for 5 years now and it's been so consistent that I moved my monthly calibrations to quarterly(-ish) and can't remember the last time I needed to tweak the calibration by more than 0.3 or so. I did have to forego the AC adapter because of interference on the circuit, but in battery mode it has been consistently within .3 of the refractometer.
 
I've used several Neptune conductivity probes and reference them to the gold standard, a refractometer. I calibrate it so it's dead on, but then it fluctuates 2-3 full points from week to week, they are just not accurate for monitoring in my hands, useful to get an idea or to spot check, but I'd never rely on one for controlling other devices.
 
I have had good accuracy with conductivity probes from sander, pretty sure profilux would be good too, they do need to be calibrated monthly to stay accurate with a calibration solution though. An auto top off - that makes sure the evaporation is dealt with adequately would also work, i am sure in that desert heat with the wind and sun , you must be losing a lot per day to evaporation in a semi-closed system.
 
I have had good accuracy with conductivity probes from sander, pretty sure profilux would be good too, they do need to be calibrated monthly to stay accurate with a calibration solution though. An auto top off - that makes sure the evaporation is dealt with adequately would also work, i am sure in that desert heat with the wind and sun , you must be losing a lot per day to evaporation in a semi-closed system.

what? 118 F hot? lol :D

yes we have considerable evaporation from the dryness, though in an enclosed room there is still considerable humidity, in my 600g system there is about 10g evaporative loss per day in the summer
 
You need to get two tests done, tank water and sea water. Your water is limited by what the sea is providing. If the levels are high in the sea, you need to dilute with freshwater.

Yes, but the standard you should be using is not what you read, but what the TDS reading is in the Gulf by you. The life forms you're using to stock come from the Gulf, so you should keep the same TDS as the Gulf has.

Also, TDS and salinity are not the same (TDS is "Total" dissolved solids), but the majority of the TDS is the salt.

FInally, yes, the problem is evaporation. You need to find a way to add top off water, just like the rest of us. Since your tank is uncovered, though, when (if) you ever get rain, you'll need to compensate.
 
Ozone might be a good option for you. I've used ozone in series with carbon before for removing colourants from the water. The ozone breaks the double carbon bond in a lot of the coloured compounds. The activated carbon removes the halides generated by the ozone afterwards. You get very clear water afterwards.

How humid is the air around there? Ozone generators can be a bit tricky with very humid air.
 
Ozone might be a good option for you. I've used ozone in series with carbon before for removing colourants from the water. The ozone breaks the double carbon bond in a lot of the coloured compounds. The activated carbon removes the halides generated by the ozone afterwards. You get very clear water afterwards.

How humid is the air around there? Ozone generators can be a bit tricky with very humid air.
 
Ozone might be a good option for you. I've used ozone in series with carbon before for removing colourants from the water. The ozone breaks the double carbon bond in a lot of the coloured compounds. The activated carbon removes the halides generated by the ozone afterwards. You get very clear water afterwards.

How humid is the air around there? Ozone generators can be a bit tricky with very humid air.

I am staying away from ozone because I don't have a skimmer and my carbon isn't that good. Also, it is quite humid around here.
 
Some full tank photos. Excuse the algae on the glass, didn't have time to properly clean it:

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Full tank shot.

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The left section.

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The middle section.

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The right section.

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A new addition to the tank: an Orange-spotted trevally (Carangoides bajad). No idea if it is reef-safe and I couldn't find any references regarding this. I'm not even sure it will make it but it did survive the first 24 hours so far.
 
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