A Game: WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

Paralysis could result from too many potential issues to be able to point a finger at without a LOT more info...

It could have been due to neck lash which pinched his spinal cord, the result from a sting of sorts from just about anything that would cause an immediate paralytic reaction, it could have been a temporary measure that was made permanent from the manner in which he was handled and brought aboard, it could have been ???, it could have been ???

-Tim
 
Considering a working divemaster has probably already done multilple dives, a neurological DCS hit would be high on the suspect list of possibilities.
 
OK, I am waiting patiently for the answer since I read this entire post. Does it have anything to do with tainted air? At least he made it to the surface before shallow water blackout.
 
Yeah, this was a tough one - and missing a lot of information about the problem, as compared to some of the previous scenarios that we have all kicked around. Unfortunately, that's exactly how it happened in real life, so for the benefit of realism, I tried to communicate the lack of information that everyone on the boat had. In looking at this set of accident reports, "lack of information" seems to be an overriding theme... Which is interesting - apparently if one wishes to prepare for accidents and emergencies, learning to make life-changing decisions correctly with a total lack of information is a skill that should be developed.

For what it's worth, this accident report came from a book called, "Diver Down" by Michael R. Ange (International Marine/McGraw-Hill, 2006).

In the book, the author says that to this day, it's uncertain as to exactly what caused the accident, but he goes on to mention that this appears to be a textbook case of arterial gas embolism. This occurs when there is "lung irritation or even the early onset of a variety of illnesses ranging from minor chest colds to pnemonia to more serious conditions like chronic obstructive pulmonary diseases such as emphysema." The bottom line is that it's theorized that the man "popped a lung" on ascent, with the bubble traveling quickly to the spine or brain and causing pressure there which resulted in paralysis. At the surface, the victim was fully coherent but completely unable to move or speak.

...Which must have been terrifying - especially when the rescuer removed the regulator from his mouth to check breathing, which nearly ended up drowning the victim during the rescue tow. Only the flopped method of getting the victim into the boat saved his life, as the victim inadvertently ended up landing face-first on the deck of the pitching boat.

Medical attention for this victim was speedy and efficient, but unfortunately, inappropriate for his injuries. Hyperbaric treatment was not ordered for 48 hours after the injury, when he could finally communicate what had happened. Even after his first treatment, doctors were skeptical that continued hyperbaric treatments would be beneficial, but insistence by family members got him further "chamber rides." Seeing some improvement (and only then realizing that there was an underlying pressure-related injury in addition to his near-drowning), more chamber rides were ordered. After years of treatment, the diver made significant improvements. Today, he still suffers many lingering effects from the accident, but he is alive and able to live his life in a relatively normal fashion, including doing an occasional shallow-water dive.

Frankly, the man's lucky to be alive - most people don't survive arterial gas embolisms.

Anyone have any idea what could have been done differently to improve the situation? Prevent the accident?

http://www.deepsouthdivers.org/old/songs/swim.mp3
 
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call DAN asap... plus of course don't remove the reg, hold it in place. Oxygen on the boat.... take the boat to him instead of swimming all that way.... do a head count on the boat immediately, including the DM. I usually end up being the DMs buddy, since my SO doesn't dive, so i guess I would've been the first responder. The DM call the dive or not go?? That probably wouldn't go over very well with his employer.
Anyone else??
 
well why is this diver diving 81 feet you are supposed to go deepest to shallowist enless that is the shawoist
 
New scenario:

The phone company calls you and tells you that your name was recommened from a friend of a friend. Apparently one of the local fishing boats broke it's mooring during a storm and ended up bashing around one of the local "swing" bridges (drawbridge), and ended up damaging one of their fiber optic lines that cross under the bridge.

The phone company wants to place a temporary fiber along the bridge, then submerge it on the bottom where the bridge opens and closes. You're the man for the job.

You arrive on-scene, having taken your small dive boat to the location, in case you need surface support. On arrival, you find that one of the phone company's own employees is also there - apparently an avid recreational diver in his spare time, he insists on "helping." He appears to be well-equipped, and even brought his own little dive boat. He explains that he's been diving locally for well over a decade, and understands "blackwater" diving well.

After waiting for tide to subside from 6 to about 2 knots, you and your new-found buddy enter the water. Visibility is around 2', which is impressively good for this area. Unfortunately, the deeper you go (max depth somewhere around 35 feet) the darker and muddier it gets. At the bottom, not only is there no visibility whatsoever (true zero vis), but there is also no definable bottom - the water simply gets "thicker" as it moves from a completely liquid state to a more and more viscous silt that is locally known as "plough mud" (pronounced "pluff mud"). A strong diver can easily dive two or three feet into the stuff before realizing that he's actually below the seabed floor.

Arriving back at the surface, you watch the phone company's small boat drop the fiber into place. Your job is to secure the line to the bottom (?) using chains and cinder blocks. While you're imagining how this is going to work in plough mud, your buddy swims to the boat, clips one of the heavy chains to his rig, and grabs a cinder block. Swimming with both heavy items (and apparently only able to stay at the surface with a fully-inflated BC if finning), he turns to you and says, "I'm going down," as if to prompt you to follow and help install the blocks.

Is there anything wrong with this scenario? Why or why not? What would you do?

http://www.deepsouthdivers.org/old/songs/blackwater.mp3
 
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Nowhere did I see it mentioned that any discernable discussions took place as to WHO was to do WHAT. I would gather that YOU are supposed to be the lead on this project, but it would appear that the new buddy is calling the shots.

It also seems assinine to me to be clipping heavy chains and cinder blocks to your rig in any conditions, let alone conditions where it would be nearly impossible to ever recover a body due to that much silt at the bottom...

WHAT IS OR WAS THE PLAN..?

-Tim
 
A+, Tim... Clearly, there's a leadership issue, as is often the case in commercial diving. The problem is that nobody really knows squat until they're down there and they start seeing, doing, and figuring things out. Even the best-laid plans can get completely derailed by something as simple as, "Hey, there's no real definable bottom here." The problem in the above scenario is that you're the only one that realized it... The "helper" diver was so unaccustomed to commercial diving (despite his vast experience as a recreational diver), that it didn't even dawn on him that there'd be a problem once he got into the muck.

What's worse is that there's like $5k on the line here, for about an hours' work... So you're REALLY motivated to make it happen, even if the entire situation is a little hairy.

The PADI Open Water diving manual clearly states, "never use your BC as a lift bag," and also says that anything more than 10 lbs should be supported by a lift bag, not the diver's BC. The reason is this: If you drop the item, you're bound for an uncontrolled ascent. An uncontrolled ascent may be managable if it's a couple of pounds, but a 15 or 20 pound cinder block, combined with maybe 5 pounds of chain? Not likely. Embolism, anyone?

The RIGHT way to accomplish this task was to have surface support lower the cinder blocks with the chains attached by rope, then swim down the rope and connect everything together. That way, there was zero chance of an uncontrolled ascent, which was good... We were already inundated with lots going on already - zero vis, lots of current, and a very important job to do (this situation actually happened to me last Thursday).

By the end of the day (we installed a total of 5 cinder blocks), we realized that surface support was even LESS skillful on the water than my "helper"... So *I* carried the last couple of cinder blocks down, after using the chain to attach them to one of my D-rings so they couldn't be dropped. Thankfully, I had enough reserve buoyancy in my wing to support everything at the surface, so it was simply a matter of "flying" it down into place and then adjusting my own buoyancy neutral before disconnecting the chain - all while buried in the muck.

...Not that that was the perfect solution, mind you, but it got the job done and seemed to be the least of all evils. You know, when there's big money at stake you tend to do what you have to... :(

As for the leadership issue... Thankfully, the other diver and I were able to discuss things and see eye-to-eye on the way to do things... So we've become good friends, and our "team" has really flourished through mutual respect and understanding. Hopefully I'll be able to rely on him as a diver in the future. :)
 
New scenario, HONESTY is worth more than political correctness:

You've been searching for it for more than ten years. You've been on TV about it, in various magazines, and people know your face in relation to it.

...And this day, on this search, you dive down into the surging sea, not far offshore. There it sits, in the sand, in less than 30 feet of blackwater...

A Mk15 thermonuclear weapon - a "nuke" 100 times more powerful than the ones that we dropped on Hiroshima. The government called it "irretreivably lost" twice - once in 1958 when they accidentally dropped it, and a second time when you brought them to the same area in 2002, telling them that you got signature radiation readings. They told you it wasn't there. They told you it was still "irretreivably lost." They told the world it was nothing to worry about, and they told you to stop looking for it.

Now you are looking right at it. Well, a few inches of it at a time, anyway. Nobody else in the entire world has any idea where it is except for you.

What would you do?
 
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I would do my best to photograph the hell out of it, and then I would contact the DoD at the Pentagon through a team of "top shelf" attorneys. I would only divulge the precise location to the DoD once 3 things were first negotiated.
  1. There would have to be a very sizable finder fee.
  2. No personal property, income, or business taxes for life.
  3. A public ststement would have to be issued by the DoD that this in fact did take place, and then a documentary would have to be authorized in which I would write, produce (at the .govs expense[/i]) and star in!
Should they not agree to any of these concessions, then I would be the one to go very public, and since Geraldo was left empty handed with Al Capone's vault, I would hand this directly to him.

I haven't quite figured out how it would have any correlation, but somehow a night in the sack w/ Robin Mead and at least one other smokin hot brunette news bunny would have to be in there too. ;)

-Tim
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15503226#post15503226 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tgreene
I haven't quite figured out how it would have any correlation, but somehow a night in the sack w/ Robin Mead and at least one other smokin hot brunette news bunny would have to be in there too. ;)

-Tim
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OMG... Are you right, or what? Criminey... It's like looking at "America's Most Beautiful People" when you tune to CNN.

Good marketing. :) Who else would you rather look at when hearing the news?

Yeah, eBay would definitely be out, unfortunately. What if the wrong people got a hold of this thing? Don't think it hasn't been considered, though...

I love the way you think, though, Tim... You've got some stellar ideas - especially the tax-free life thing. That's exactly what I was thinking.

We haven't hired the attorneys yet - but we have a guy that will hire the attorneys... He's a former politician from Canada, and owns a "Public Relations" company now and is a corporate consultant. He's also a diver, so it kinda works out really well to have him on the team.
 
*IF* you have in fact finally found it after all of these years, then if I were you I would immediately as a Mod/Admin to remove the last several posts and never once make mention of it again until you have 1003% of your ducks in a row, because this is kind of very serious National Security stuff that could cause you to simply disappear from the planet without so much as a trace.

I would make damn sure to deal with everything in a 3rd person removed manner. Contact Oliver North and/or G. Gordon Liddy and let THEM be your "go to guys"... They've done it before, and certainly proved their salt in the process.

Remember, the best way to keep a secret between 3 friends, is when 2 of them are dead! :eek2:

-Tim
 
Yeah, well... I could also simply claim that I haven't found it yet. :)

...Which I haven't. ;)

...But it sure is fun to think about, isn't it?
 
Agreed, EVERYTHING has to be in order before having
attorney's contact DOD. You could easily go missing.
I'm sure that it has happened before.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15503794#post15503794 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SeaJayInSC
Yeah, well... I could also simply claim that I haven't found it yet. :)
Ve have vays of making you talk! :hmm2:
 
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