A List of Good Beginner Fish

okay moving right along here:)
On this blog I have encorporated a number of threads dealing with fish to avoid, and a list of beginner fish ect ect, Two of them were created by Peter, another created by sk8r ect--these threads have served many reefers in an outstanding way

http://www.reefcentral.com/wp/?p=285
 
Hi Afish70,

To answer your question on who am I speaking to. Specifically "Loosecannon". It's on this same thread but on the 1st page. Here is what got started:

"loosecannon
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Hi, peter eichler: nice list. Anelfish {Centropyge}, are NOT good beginner fish! Thay need lot`s of well aged live rock. The tank should be up and running, for six mounths or moor! Blennies are good first fish. Help with the alge. Cardinal`s good for fish only tank. Thay are noctarnal and the bright light of reef tanks can stress them out! Clownfish Chromisfish Damselsfish, are all good first fish , if tank raised. Gobies are good first fish. But not the sand siffting one`s! Dartfishnot a good first fish get picted on by other fish. Pseudochromis basslets can be vary aggessof. Tangs in most Genus: Zebrasoma, Acanthurs. Tang`s in the Genus: Ctenochaet us, thay are comenly called bristletooth, and thay do not travle well. Wrasses I love mine do your homework, ther are good one`s and bad. I have had a Centro pyge heraldi. I got him he had only one eye. I think ez hard depanz on your set up. I have learn to pick the fish out first than fined out what I need to do to keep them alive, and than set up a tank that best fits thar NEED`S!
" - Loosecannon.

The rest, you can read Peter's response to Loosecannon and his response.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12216015#post12216015 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by afish70
what about a Gold Headed Sleeper Goby? what are your impressions about them? i have one and the little schmuck keeps getting sand all over my rock, but not my lonely little frogspawn, Yet. i keep having to Turkey blast my LR almost daily. but he is fun to watch.

Way way late on this response, but hopefully it'll help someone else... Sorry, I'll try to check this thread more often if anyone has questions. When I'm done with revising the other list I'll expand and improve on this one.

I feel that Valenciennea spp. in general are of concern in this hobby. They are far too often thrown in any old tank with a dirty sandbed. These fish will often not accept prepared foods and even when they do they sometimes still slowly starve to death. Ideally they'd only be incorporated into tanks with large and established sandbeds. Intestinal worms have ben suggested as a possible problem, but I think much of the problems lies in a lack of worms, or rather fauna in most sandbeds.

The problem is they're such a common fish and it takes so long for them to starve to death that people often just write it off as a fluke. You'll also see threads on them with tons of responses along the lines of "I've had my Diamond/Golden Head Sleeper goby for X months and he's doing great and my sandbed has never been cleaner".

Sadly, too many people in this hobby think keeping a fish for 6-24 months means success. Keep in mind that most fish are known to live 10-20 years. Not totally different from a dog or cat. If your cats and/or dogs were dying every two years would you consider yourself a successful dog or cat owner?
 
What about Moon Wrasse - Thalassoma lunare, this is truely a colourfull fish but i've heard if you want to add this fish to your aquarium it must be the last, you must not add new fish to the same aquarium as they hate new fish.
The Wrasse is also a good fish for aggressive fish as a tank mate but needs many hiding places in form of live rocks. Any comment.
 
Thanks for the info,now i wonder what fish should i buy...:confused:My Salaris is eating artemia and nori.The clowns are eating artemia so does my banana wrasse..Maybe i should get some other food source? Osi dry pellets? Please take a look at my tank any thoughts?
 
Loosecannon, many dwarf angels are collected with cyanide or other lethal chemicals. it's very common with heraldi's since most of them come from areas where, even though juicing is illegal, the laws are not enforced. It's especially disturbing that they are knowingly accepted into the US since it's illegal to import any fish into the states that was collected contrary to the laws of its country of origin.

Good Beginner Fish

Angelfish

Coral Beauty Angelfish [Centropyge bispinosus] (probably the hardiest of all the dwarf angels but they can nibble on corals and clams)

Half Black Angelfish [Centropyge vroliki] (see Coral Beauty)

Pygmy/Cherub Angelfish [Centropyge argi] (see Coral Beauty but
consider that they are often meaner, the same goes for most other similar shaped Pygmy Angels)

*Angels can be a little prone to disease but are otherwise pretty hardy if given a good diet
I made some specific notes on Angels that about diet and disease. The angels I listed will do very well in fish only tanks IME and are quite hardy and capable of thriving in various types of tanks as long as proper diets are provided. I have even seen people cycle tanks with Coral Beauties (NOT something I suggest trying).
Most Centropyge angels are rather hardy fish. You seem to be saying CB's and the others are good for the beginners in that they can endure more abuse? Maybe the fish is good for the beginner, but a new tank is not a nice place for a Centropyge angel -- unless you're counting the diatom and hair algae blooms.

When the correct environment is made for a dwarf angel - lots of seasoned live rock stacked to make swim throughs, caves and hiding places, good water and good diet - most angels are going to do well beginner or not. Beginners do not typically provide such condtions. More often they start out with minimal rock and a lack of understanding of the angel's grazing habits and need for lots of places to duck for cover.

Once you provide proper conditions, what big difference does it make if you get a coral beauty or flame? Are you telling people who provide proper conditions they must start with one of these 3 fish?

So you're saying CB's, half blacks and argi's are tougher than the other Centropyges and less likely to do what? Die under poor conditions? What do you base this on?

What a blow to those of us who have tried so hard to get new hobbyists to wait before getting an angel. Even my LFS discourages angels for beginners.
 
all too often people tell you to get fish that are going to die in the wrong tank. like lawnmower blennies for a new tank to take care of algae, sand sifting gobies to take care of a dirty sandbed, or whatever animal to take care of whatever problem. on top of the list of fish suggested for the wrong tanks would be dragonets. you'd think only lfs would be ignorant enough to make these claims but so many forum goers do the same.
 
Does anybody have any experience with the small schools of chromis turning on each other and picking off the weakest member until only 1 is left?
 
The coral beauty was one of the first fish purchases I made, and it is a very hearty fish. I would agree that a coral beauty is a very good beginner fish. He is very attractive looking and does well with others. The only thing I didn't know is that they like to pick on some corals. Other than that I love them
 
Huh, didn't realize this thread was still sorta going...
Surprise surprise peter
Some days I don't even realize I am still sorta going. Lol
I don't have the advantage of my much older friend Paul of being able to wade through a leech infested tidal pool to realize I am still going:dance:
 
The coral beauty was one of the first fish purchases I made, and it is a very hearty fish. I would agree that a coral beauty is a very good beginner fish. He is very attractive looking and does well with others. The only thing I didn't know is that they like to pick on some corals. Other than that I love them
The key phrase here is "does well with others"
I am glad you mentioned this too. Not all fish stated as good beginner fish do well with others.
 
Good Beginner Fish



Angelfish

Coral Beauty Angelfish [Centropyge bispinosus] (probably the hardiest of all the dwarf angels but they can nibble on corals and clams)

Half Black Angelfish [Centropyge vroliki] (see Coral Beauty)

Pygmy/Cherub Angelfish [Centropyge argi] (see Coral Beauty but
consider that they are often meaner, the same goes for most other similar shaped Pygmy Angels)

*Angels can be a little prone to disease but are otherwise pretty hardy if given a good diet


Blennies

Bicolor Blenny [Ecsenius bicolor] (great little fish with lots of personality that can help with algae problems, only problem is they're know to sometimes take a liking to munching on corals and clams, procede with caution)

Tail Spot Blenny [Ecsenius stigmatura] (in most cases probably a better choice all around than the Bicolor Blenny, though they aren't quite as boisterous which can be a good or bad thing depending on your perspective, less commonly available)

Linear Blenny [Ecsenius lineatus] (see above)


Cardinalfish

Pajama/Spotted/Orange Lined Cadinalfish [Sphaeramia nematoptera most common] (peaceful, disease resistant, and hardy, Cardinalfish in general are good choices just be a little more leary of Bangaii Cardinals that are new to captivity and red nocturnal varieties)


Clownfish/Chromis/Damselfish

Tank Raised Clownfish [Amphiprion sp.] (percula and ocellaris stay smaller and are les aggressive, Skunk clowns can be more peaceful as well, Maroon clowns tend to be the meanest, and all the others usually fall somewhere in between)

Green Chromis [Chromis viridis] (very peaceful and will school, but it is becoming pretty clear that in smaller schools they will sometimes pick the weakest member of the group off one by one, perhaps larger schools of 6+ in larger aquariums would eliminate that possibility)

Yellowtail Damselfish [Chrysiptera parasema] (can be aggressive but not quite as mean as most other Damselfish, add them as one of your last fish)

*In general Damsels are very hardy but the majority of them get far too mean to be considered good inhabitants in most tanks


Gobies/Dartfish

Firefish [Nemateleotris decora/magnifica] (great reef fish, just be weary when keeping in groups as they can turn on one another, singles or mated pairs are you best bet, they have been known to jump but it's not a big problem)

Scissortail Goby/Dartfish [Ptereleotris evides] (almost identical to Firefish in care)

Yellow Watchman Goby [Cryptocentrus cinctus] (tough as nails, very comical, peaceful, but a little shy and require some sand to burrow in, make sure your rocks are stacked securely)

Pink Spotted Watchman [Cryptocentrus leptocephalus] (see Yellow Watchman)

Gold/Blue Neon Goby (peaceful and often avilable as tank raised, keep as mated pairs or singles unless you have a large aquarium)

Hector's Goby [Amblyeleotris hectori] (similar to Rainford's but seem to accept prepared foods more often, just make sure they're eating before purchase and keep them with more peaceful fish, they will also sift food from your sandbed and tidy it up so it's best to have a sandbed)


Pseudochromis/Basslets

Royal Gramma [Gramma loreto] (kept singly they are peaceful, but the biggest drawback is their shyness, provide plenty of overhangs, they may also do best in aquariums with a little less intense lighting)

Pseudochromis [springeri/fridmani/flavivertex/aldabraensis] (very hardy and disease resistant, however can get quite mean, they are fairly well behaved as long as they're the last fish added and you avoid similar size/shape fish, frequently available as tank raised)

Pseudochromis sankeyi (same as above except far more peaceful)


Tangs/Foxfaces

Zebrasoma sp. [Yellow, Purple, Scopas, Sailfin] (these are the hardiest of the tangs in my opinion, still not great beginner fish, but if you must have a Tang these are the best choices, be sure to provide plenty of green stuff for them to graze on and feed them often to stay plump, as a basic guideline it's best to keep these in 75 gal. or larger aquariums with the consideration that they might outgrow those down the road, they can get mean so make them later additions)

Foxfaces/Rabbitfish [Siganus vulpinus is the most common] (these fish can get quite large so be sure to research if your tank is large enough to house one, they're great at algae control, more disease resistant than their cousins the Tang, and generally more peaceful, also keep in mind their dorsal spines are mildly venomous)


Wrasses

Six/Four Line Wrasse (can get mean much like the Pseudochromis, but also requires a sandbed to borrow in, sometimes these will consume undesirable flatworms)

General Notes

*Keep in mind that there are plenty of other fish that are suitable to beginnners, I've covered most of the staples. You'll find that most of these fish are easy to find at a local fish store and are fairly reasonable in price. As a beginner don't spend a lot of money on some rare fish just to watch it die from a common beginner mistake.

*Fish selection is one of the most important aspects of this hobby. Select specimens with bright vibrant colors that are active and overall healthy in appearance. Avoid things like torn fins, strange spots or lumps, sunken in bellies, and sores or red marks. It can also be helpful to see if the fish eats before taking it home.

*Quarantine tanks are an important aspect of marine aquarium keeping. No matter how healthy and disease resistant your fish looked at the store things can still go wrong. A quarantine tank will help you keep the fish in your display free of disease and help ensure the longterm survival of newly aquired specimens.

*Here is a list of species you should avoid if you're new to the hobby.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1157901



Happy Reefing!

Peter

Can anyone add anymore to this list? I notice the difficult list is nice and long......http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1157901
 
I've found chalk bass to be hardy, and have a good personality. I guess they are a basslet, but I feel like they are overlooked
 
Ich can be a problem with Angels, though they're not as bad as most tangs IMO. The good news is that Coral Beauties are quite hardy otherwise, so in most cases curing them of disease will be better than with more sensitive species. As long as you take the proper steps to cure the disease, feed him a good diet his fin will regenerate and hopefully you'll have a healthy and long lived Coral Beauty. Scales of 1-10 are tricky, they're so open to interpretation :p If I had to pick, I'd say a 7-8 if 10 is the hardiest. One exception is a Coral Beauty that comes from the Phillipines, that's a crap shoot, as it is with many fish from that area due to cyanide fishing.

Very difficult to read this......maybe use Word in the future, spell/grammar check and then paste into your post.
 
Basslets:

Swissguard Basslet

Swales Basslet

Blackcap Basslet

Harlequin Bass

Tobacco Basslet

Lantern Basslet

Yellow Assessor

McNeill's Assessor

Randall's Assessor



Wrasses:

Four-Lined

Six-Lined

Yellow Coris

Melanurus

Red Lined

Christmas (H. claudia)

Adorned

Yellow Candy Hogfish

Pacific Peppermint Hogfish

Cuban Hogfish

Spanish Flag




Groupers:

Marine Betta / Comet (as long as it is eating prepared foods)




Damselfish (Chrysiptera):

Talbot's

Yellowtail Blue

Azure

Starckii's

Rolland's

Tracey's
 
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