A Splash of Color

Thanks for pointing out Ugly Acro. :lol:

It'd be nice to follow its progress. I think Ugly Acro started to feel the power of the Radium and had no choice but to start coloring up. Ugly Acro does look to have quite the potential though.

It better color up otherwise it'll be bouncing off Dave when i throw it at him next visit......

Only time can tell, but that is the fun part of this hobby. We trust you will turn its color back.

Fingers crossed buddy, at the moment it just looks ugly - like an acro that belongs in a rebel tank tbh.......

That looks a lot like the "orchid berry" check the first acro on the second page of my thread. If it is I can't wait to watch it change! Well,regardless... I can't wait to see it change haha.

I had a look Kevin, i don't think it's as nice as your berry piece though mate.

Looking forward to ugly Acro's transformation!
Andrew, Dave has SO got your number.
Nothing better than a button pushing Acro pusher!!!

Hey Matt, yep i reckon you're right about sly old Dave......;)

Truly the Australians are pioneers in more than just reefing. The last time we tried to put an ocean between ourselves and a tiny island, it turned out our only decent reef went with it... And the damn thing ended up in the middle of the Pacific. [emoji33]

You should try again with Canada........... use lots of explosives and it should just pop off like prying an aiptasia infested frag off your main rockwork. :twitch:

He did the Jedi mind trick on you...wow. Next thing you'll be rolling out of his shop loaded with Flubber thinking you did want Flubber...as Dave laughs...

I'm partial to a bit of flubber at times so he'll exploit that weakness sooner or later Matt.......:D

I like the ugly acro, bet it turns red for you pretty fast.

Just to be clear, I'm not planning to buy any brightwell magic redox potions, I just thought it interesting where manganese is showing up now that I'm curious about it.

I thought that was what you were doing Mark, i like to know about anything that might be relevant so thanks for taking the time to tell us about it mate :)

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More than likely just diluted potassium permanganate.
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Certainly looks to be something along those lines mate.


Remember this thing 5 weeks ago.

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I would rather it went back to how it was when i got it..............:facepalm:

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In aus we don't generally see such large pieces but rather branches about one third to a quarter the size of those pieces in the pic.
I avoid colonies unless they're small usually like that little peachy green one i placed on the new island.
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Thanks for your previous comments. I learn a lot from this thread :). I have had acros (five) for only nine months.

Would you say the reason for choosing small parts of a big colony instead of a the whole colony is better because the big colony is adapted to a reef environment that may be impossible to recreate in aquarium?

Other reasons I can think of is money or plain fun watching something grow from small to big.

A colony the size of two open hands is considered big I suppose?

Can you see any goodies here? Other side of the tank you saw before.
 

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Y'all have no idea what this Taswegian-MooseRabbit rebel destroying Acro-Star is actually capable of... :lol: :strooper:

Having caught up with the lovely Andrew for a good ol chat and to see his tank again, the pictures are nothing in comparison ;) it was great to catch up! I may have sworn again walking through the front door haha

Rebels Ye Be Warned! Here Be Darth Acro
 
Do i see brown and green acros lol i dont feel bad about my tank anymore. Jk bud just stopping by to say hello
 
It's definitely a teal/green color on the lower portions of the branches Mike, it used to look the same but much darker overall. The blue is running down but only where the highest light hits it.

It's in a bugger of a spot to get pics from above due to the center brace.

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Thanks for that mate, that has much more manganese in relation to the other elements than is normally present in NSW. Copper for instance is about twice the level as manganese normally but in that little bottle it is only about one third the level of manganese - pretty sure that would work a treat if used the right way........;)

Hi Andrew re your comment on seachem reef trace what would be the correct way to use it your recommendations? As I have some but not sure whether I would need to combine it with another product to try and emulate the results you are having?
Many thanks justin
 
Andrew I just binge read your thread amazing colors all around! I'm a little tired from all the porn if I smoked I would have a cigarette.

Now I have a sneaking motivation to dump 4L of Matrix in my 60 gallon. If I can find room for an extra 2L I will make it happen!
 
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Sahin Island looks great. Nice choice of acros to grow on the island.


My piece has blue tips and is largely brown...I need to decrease the nutrients in my stupid tank.
No mate, you need to change the way those nutrients are delivered to your corals - via bacteria ;)

Andrew can you be more specific with that afirmation?

Thanks!
 
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Awesome acros! and a great thread read. Been following along a couple months now.

I have begun to employ the Biggles' Method and brewed a batch of Biggles Juice for my recently revived sps tank. Life is boring if I do not occasionally try something new and risk learning something.

Thanks for pushing the boundaries of what we do. If not for people doing what you do , we would all still have under gravel filters, use PCs, and believe that acros can't be kept in nano reefs.
 
Wow what a great tread it's taken me nearly all day to read and I have a head ache now.
I'm not sure if it's from the info or all the acro porn. But will subscribe and Sunday night get the Trench coat and sun glasses out.
Keep it up.
 
Thanks for your previous comments. I learn a lot from this thread :). I have had acros (five) for only nine months.

Would you say the reason for choosing small parts of a big colony instead of a the whole colony is better because the big colony is adapted to a reef environment that may be impossible to recreate in aquarium?

Other reasons I can think of is money or plain fun watching something grow from small to big.

A colony the size of two open hands is considered big I suppose?

Can you see any goodies here? Other side of the tank you saw before.

Hi Patrik, i regard anything as big as an open hand as a large colony. I like branches that are usually about 2 x 3" or 3 x 3' in size and almost always take one or two small frags off each new piece to use as test pieces for different spots.
I always place them on the sand on a small piece of pipe so they have good flow under the branches. The next day i check each piece for orientation. Almost every species of acro has a good side and bad side. An eye catching piece can loose 3/4 of it's 'wow' factor in relation to visible pigments simply being placed to grow away from the viewing glass or vice versa.
Anything with substantial horizontal growth patterns will usually look best growing either towards the glass or sideways pointing down the length of your display. Sideways is best to emphasize the overhanging nature of the piece the lower you place it. A table growing 1" off the sand as many of mine are doesn't look like it's 5" over the sand when viewed front on as the sand underneath isn't visible like it is if you were viewing the 5" overhang from the side where all the sand underneath is visible to show the cool hovering colony. The higher up the easier it is to display pieces at different angles and still get a visual wow factor.
The more acros you add the harder it is to find the right spot for a particular piece that shows it best. It's worth turning the new pieces and waiting for PE to return before judging the view of colors each time. Acros without PE can look dramatically more eye catching in relation to color contrasts present WITHOUT any polyps visible - especially when the polyps aren't very attractive compared to the tissue pigments. That's why a lot of sale pics of frags etc are taken after turkey basting the frag or giving it a shake so the polyps are withdrawn - don't fall for that little trick because unless you're going to turkey baste the display every 5 minutes you are going to see a different overall color 'view' of your acros than you might have thought. That's not to say that something with withdrawn polyps won't also look amazing with good PE, just be aware of the fact that it can make a big difference.
I don't care what anything looks like under actinic lighting because i see my display under full lighting 90% of the time and that is the only color view that is important to me for obvious reasons. If you like your colors under the full lighting you run then it's a given that the display will look ridiculous under actinics or RB LED's so focus all your energy on getting the very best colors you can during full lighting.

Sorry for the long ramble but it just comes out of nowhere sometimes......:thumbsup:

I would call all these pieces large Patrik.

The orangey pink colony far right will either be stunning or a drab dog if you can't make it happy. The far left on the first shelf looks very interesting. You will always see stunning pinks and blues - always, so look for pinks with different colored polyps/tips. Anything that is purple with red polyps will be a stunner. All the yellows and pastel green beauties in the pic - before choosing any of them i want you to visualize the acro as much more green and less pastel and consider if you would still like the colors. Some stuff will still have great color contrast whether glowing pastel as most fresh collected SSC does as opposed to when the pigments are saturated in the classic SSC pink/red and green.
I'm not slagging greens, just don't think that the pastel nature of those stressed acros is anything like the depth of color you will eventually see if you get your system running well.

As always - you pick what you like Patrik as we all have different tastes in acros - most of the pieces on the bottom and at the front of the first shelf will only look awesome if you place them growing towards the glass or sideways btw. :beer:

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Since Mike slagged me for leaving Bulent's Bliss on an ugly round frag disc i removed it, cut it into three bits and then stuck them on a blob of putty with super glue gel splayed out about 20 degrees further so i had a larger colony already (biggles trick) and kept the encrusted frag disc with three circular cuts on top to recover for my friends Ken and Jen.

The spot where the disc was glued to was at an angle so i placed a small 1/2" thick piece of rock at the same angle using discs to prop it on. Then i placed the three small 2" long branches onto the putty so i had the right shape at the right angle i envisioned once the rock was putty/glued onto the angled spot it was living on previously. I went to all this trouble because the spot is nestled in the middle of about five other acros and room is tight.

If i was living in the US or Canada and was starting everything from frags i would place each one on a similar small rock and putty the rocks where i thought they would look best. Over time as things grow and color up you will see color changes etc that might make you wish you put something in a different spot. As you collect more and more pieces and let's be honest, most of us never stop adding 'just one more must have' there might arise a need to alter the position of some pieces to accommodate the new arrival.
If you place each frag on a small rock and glue the rock to your main rockwork you will not interrupt or destroy any of the encrusting tissue the frag has put on since you first bought it and the change in position will not see a huge change to the acros 'happiness' as long as the flow hasn't changed drastically. It's great when you look at something and think ' if that was 2" to the right of where it's glued i could see that better and this would contrast much more.......... move it ' :)

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It happened again Patrik........... raaaaaaaaamble ! :wave:
 
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Hi Patrik, i regard anything as big as an open hand as a large colony. I like branches that are usually about 2 x 3" or 3 x 3' in size and almost always take one or two small frags off each new piece to use as test pieces for different spots.
I always place them on the sand on a small piece of pipe so they have good flow under the branches. The next day i check each piece for orientation. Almost every species of acro has a good side and bad side. An eye catching piece can loose 3/4 of it's 'wow' factor in relation to visible pigments simply being placed to grow away from the viewing glass or vice versa.
Anything with substantial horizontal growth patterns will usually look best growing either towards the glass or sideways pointing down the length of your display. Sideways is best to emphasize the overhanging nature of the piece the lower you place it. A table growing 1" off the sand as many of mine are doesn't look like it's 5" over the sand when viewed front on as the sand underneath isn't visible like it is if you were viewing the 5" overhang from the side where all the sand underneath is visible to show the cool hovering colony. The higher up the easier it is to display pieces at different angles and still get a visual wow factor.
The more acros you add the harder it is to find the right spot for a particular piece that shows it best. It's worth turning the new pieces and waiting for PE to return before judging the view of colors each time. Acros without PE can look dramatically more eye catching in relation to color contrasts present WITHOUT any polyps visible - especially when the polyps aren't very attractive compared to the tissue pigments. That's why a lot of sale pics of frags etc are taken after turkey basting the frag or giving it a shake so the polyps are withdrawn - don't fall for that little trick because unless you're going to turkey baste the display every 5 minutes you are going to see a different overall color 'view' of your acros than you might have thought. That's not to say that something with withdrawn polyps won't also look amazing with good PE, just be aware of the fact that it can make a big difference.
I don't care what anything looks like under actinic lighting because i see my display under full lighting 90% of the time and that is the only color view that is important to me for obvious reasons. If you like your colors under the full lighting you run then it's a given that the display will look ridiculous under actinics or RB LED's so focus all your energy on getting the very best colors you can during full lighting.

Sorry for the long ramble but it just comes out of nowhere sometimes......:thumbsup:

I would call all these pieces large Patrik.

The orangey pink colony far right will either be stunning or a drab dog if you can't make it happy. The far left on the first shelf looks very interesting. You will always see stunning pinks and blues - always, so look for pinks with different colored polyps/tips. Anything that is purple with red polyps will be a stunner. All the yellows and pastel green beauties in the pic - before choosing any of them i want you to visualize the acro as much more green and less pastel and consider if you would still like the colors. Some stuff will still have great color contrast whether glowing pastel as most fresh collected SSC does as opposed to when the pigments are saturated in the classic SSC pink/red and green.
I'm not slagging greens, just don't think that the pastel nature of those stressed acros is anything like the depth of color you will eventually see if you get your system running well.

As always - you pick what you like Patrik as we all have different tastes in acros - most of the pieces on the bottom and at the front of the first shelf will only look awesome if you place them growing towards the glass or sideways btw. :beer:


It happened again Patrik........... raaaaaaaaamble ! :wave:

Biggles, I assure you that is not ramble for me! :) It's more like a manual for choosing and placing acros from an aussie acro freak to me. Much appreciated.

I have been at the shop now and I went for broke. :) In Sweden that meant only two corals :(

I bought something called a Badabing acro a little more than 2/3 of an open hand and a SSC acro slightly bigger than a closed hand. I put them att the bottom of the tank on a frag raster.

I felt a bit bad after my last posting. I don't want to contaminate the thread with newbie questions. This thread is about your tank. A tank I might add is responsible for me wanting to turn my little mixed reef into pure acro madness. :lmao:
 
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Don't ever feel bad posting questions etc on my journal Patrik, all my rambles are aimed at reefers who are newer to SPS and a lot of the info most of my mates here are well aware of already - that's why they have sweet acro displays :)

A great deal of what those of us take for granted after keeping SPS for years is not so obvious to newer reef keepers and so a lot of my posts are aimed at that aspect of SPS keeping tbh - all the little things that add up to a lot.........;)

I need pics of your new pieces asap please Patrik, both your selections sound right on the money - both are high contrast pink highlight acros - yum diddly yum yum acros :thumbsup:
 
Y'all have no idea what this Taswegian-MooseRabbit rebel destroying Acro-Star is actually capable of... :lol: :strooper:

Having caught up with the lovely Andrew for a good ol chat and to see his tank again, the pictures are nothing in comparison ;) it was great to catch up! I may have sworn again walking through the front door haha

Rebels Ye Be Warned! Here Be Darth Acro

Hey Dom, if other acro keepers don't swear when they see your display you need to tweak your system tbh :p

Do i see brown and green acros lol i dont feel bad about my tank anymore. Jk bud just stopping by to say hello

Good to see you Dan, i am more than capable of buying the odd 'dud' mate.

Hi Andrew, and what do you think of zeolites, is it a good media?

I don't know much about them mate, i don't think they're just a bacteria media but others might help with some info hopefully.

Hi Andrew re your comment on seachem reef trace what would be the correct way to use it your recommendations? As I have some but not sure whether I would need to combine it with another product to try and emulate the results you are having?
Many thanks justin

So it's clear, the koralcolor is the working manganese dose as i have used it alone. The reef trace, trace hard, replenish etc i would use ALONGSIDE the koralcolor. Matt is getting good results using AF micro E in a little experiment to see if it will keep the cyano at bay so THAT product might be a good substitute for the actual working dose solution. Hopefully Matt can give an opinion after a few months as to whether the micro E is doing anything good.

I plan to do regular weekly water changes down the track and try just using the koralcolor and feeding the fish in the future.

Andrew I just binge read your thread amazing colors all around! I'm a little tired from all the porn if I smoked I would have a cigarette.

Now I have a sneaking motivation to dump 4L of Matrix in my 60 gallon. If I can find room for an extra 2L I will make it happen!

Thanks Tim, do it mate as that stuff takes months to earn its keep so the sooner you get it soaking the better. Remember what i said about the floaters...........

Andrew can you be more specific with that afirmation?

Thanks!

Just as the foods we feed our fish will have an impact on the usefulness of their poo in relation to coral nutrition i believe allowing the bacteria to break down the food chain even further is delivering nutrients to the corals in a way that is much more 'natural' than merely dumping liquid nitrates etc in the water.

Awesome acros! and a great thread read. Been following along a couple months now.

I have begun to employ the Biggles' Method and brewed a batch of Biggles Juice for my recently revived sps tank. Life is boring if I do not occasionally try something new and risk learning something.

Thanks for pushing the boundaries of what we do. If not for people doing what you do , we would all still have under gravel filters, use PCs, and believe that acros can't be kept in nano reefs.

Thanks for tagging along mate, be good to hear how things go for you after a month or two. :)

Hi,
sorry ,
what is the Biggest Method with Boggles Juice?

Not sure how to take that question tbh...........

Wow what a great tread it's taken me nearly all day to read and I have a head ache now.
I'm not sure if it's from the info or all the acro porn. But will subscribe and Sunday night get the Trench coat and sun glasses out.
Keep it up.

Thanks mate :p
 
Mr. Ocean,

Go back to post #881 and read from there. The short answer is Trace Hard and Brightwell CoralKolor. Biggles explains it in those posts.
 
Looks like you got the ugly brown truck acropora frag as I have...

It actually looks quite nice when it's under water, i have a few frags from Nick as well :)

What is the biggles juce is?
How use biggles juce method?

It is just a mixture of koralcolor and trace hard.

Mr. Ocean,

Go back to post #881 and read from there. The short answer is Trace Hard and Brightwell CoralKolor. Biggles explains it in those posts.

Thanks bud :)

Andrew. Do everyone a favor and bottle up Biggles Juice â„¢

There is clearly a market

Can't be stuffed Kevin, sounds suspiciously like work to me....... :p

The blue echi and TDF are frags from Nick - mine are going ok......:beer:

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