Acropora tissue bubbling. Disease?

Thanks for that. I'm going to be at live aquaria/diver's den at the end of the month for the open house, and I will talk to them about it there.

I'm also going to see if I can make contact with someone from the Shedd locally maybe.

maybe call up an oceanography/marine biology department at certain universities and they might be able to help. I know scripps down in san diego la jolla area would be a great place for me to start, however I have no acros with symptoms. other than that, keep up the ongoing struggle no matter how gloomy things get. Ill ask around the industry when I get the chance.
 
The reason I considered flow is that I was running an MP40 and an MP10 both at 100%. For a 30"x30" tank that is quite a bit. It was random though (Reefcrest and Nutrient Transport mode on occasion) so who knows?

Our tank is 17x34x17 with 2 MP10s plus ~ 500 gph on the return. Peninsula layout, so both MP10s on the short end with the return as well. Been a constant struggle to not have unidirectional flow. Standing wave resulted in relatively constant undertow, so couldn't keep that going, ended up with what you did basically -- 100% reef crest and occasional nutrient transport.

I recently switched to asynch long pulse. Finally am seeing a reveral in current directions, and certain corals look happier than they have in a while (dendros most notably -- they had good color etc, but were "stringy")

We had had malformed growth in our thin branched smooth skins before the blisters started that was obviously attributable to unidirectional flow -- branches curving like wind-swept trees, that sort of thing. That made me switch to the standing wave, which fixed that problem, but resulted in the strong under tow which hammered our sand-bed LPS.....

As per new info -- I think I may have found some scholarly work pertaining... I'll post up links when I get home from work today. Bad news is, no road to recovery in the literature I'm looking at :(
 
Neoplasia I think..... Several articles, but it could be one of the other "abnormal growth" diseases.

I spoke with a very nice person at ORA who asked me to send an email in with pictures, which I have done.

If any one was wondering, here is a before/after shot. These are some of the pics I sent ORA:

Pac Man about 2-3 months after we got it. Doubled in size, polyps out, nice and smooth.

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Pac-Man today:

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Every single coral in our tank has it to one degree or Smither now, with the sole exception of Tubbs. Did a really careful inspection of the shaded side of all our acros, where it is easiest to see in the mildly impacted corals.

Given that there are multiple accounts, including my own experience, of the syndrome going away when introduced to a new tank, this leads me to believe it is environmental, and not flow based (different locations in my tank get very different flow patterns.) Furthermore, I don't think it is viral or bacterial because it does not infect new tanks.

So, light or chemistry or a combo.

Any ideas.
 
Neoplasia vs. Hyperplasia:

So according to the scientific literature, there are two common growth anomalies in acros: neoplasia and hyperplasia.

Link above is hyperplasia.

This link is neoplasia.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1048732

Big difference in appearance. Both afflictions have been thrown in the same bucket on hobby forums historically.

To clarify, coral neoplasia results in skeleton and tissue growing out of control. The hyperplasia I am experiencing results in somewhat deformed skeletal growth, but only the fish growing wildly out of control.
 
Got en email back from a PhD who has written some articles about acropora hyperplasia.

Fingers crossed!
 
Every monti, acro, stylo has this. Montipora (rainbow, superman, forgot the other) colour has suffered but they are still encrusting. Both my red and green monti cap look good. All acropora, stylo look fine and are still encrusting.


I'm running nitra guard cubes and dosing acropower. It all started for me after dosing acropower (amino acids).



Best pics I've seen of exactly my type of hyperplasia:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10392425&postcount=9
 
Carbon dosing/AA dosing seems to be a common thread for many people. We are not doing either but we do feed heavily..

Good luck with your problem and please post any info or ideas you have. This has to be solveable :)


Every monti, acro, stylo has this. Montipora (rainbow, superman, forgot the other) colour has suffered but they are still encrusting. Both my red and green monti cap look good. All acropora, stylo look fine and are still encrusting.


I'm running nitra guard cubes and dosing acropower. It all started for me after dosing acropower (amino acids).
 
Got a response from Dr. Gareth Williams from Scripps at UC San Diego. He was extremely generous with his time, and gracious about answering my questions.

I emailed him because he is one of the few people with articles online about hyperplasia in acropora.

His response is below:

Abnormal growth like that certainly would suggest hyperplasia, although we’d want to take a specimen to confirm.
Unfortunately, there is currently no other treatment than removal of the growth anomalies that I know of.

In your case I imagine this would be extremely hard, due to the extent of the problem, and likely lead to more harm than good.

I’ve attached here a paper I published whereby I was able to elicit recovery in branching Acropora when the growth anomalies were removed, although note that this was not successful in an encrusting Montipora species.

If it is hyperplasia then this might suggest an environmental stress as a casual agent. Perhaps too high a UV level?
Again, there really is very little known about this. Sorry I can’t be of more help

All the best

I think it is worth noting the bit about recovery after the afflicted areas have been cut out, and the line about UV. Dr. Williams did clarify that there is not conclusive evidence that UV leads to hyperplasia, they have seen some correlation.

I also want to note the line about environmental stress as a casual agent -- That confirms what myself and some other people have seen: Blistered frags that go into other peoples tanks usually recover/exhibit non blistered growth. It is a parameter/light/flow issue of some sort.

Only avenue I can think to pursue now is seeing if there is a hobbyist who has successfully cured this in tank somehow.... All sorts of remedies have been found in the hobbyist community through trial and error (interceptor, bayer, etc.)

Anyone have any more ideas?
 
This is good info none the less. We learn many times more than Phd.'s as we have these corals in our home and watch them carefully.
 
Larcat you've done an amazing job researching. The pics in this thread are probably the best compilation of the issue to date. What is going on in my tank is definitely the hyperplasia, not neoplasia.

FWIW, this hasn't gone away for me. I've started tossing the corals this is affecting, but I can't bring myself to chisel out that big bonsai - it's literally the tank's centre-piece.

I've been trying to isolate the issue, but too many things have happened with the tank recently for me to be able to say one thing or the other is the cause of it - I've cratered the salinity by accident and had a doser malfunction that let my alk drop to 4.2 that wreaked quite a bit of havoc. Frankly I'm surprised more of my corals aren't toast.

It definitely seems like once this happens to a colony, there's no going back. It doesn't die, but the growth pattern totally changes and growth slows way way down. I've fragged off about half of the bonsai to try and get to healthy tissue at various times and that seems to have helped, but this is happening to 1 out of three of the new growth tips. Any coral this is not affecting, however, is just fine.

What lighting is everyone running? UV keeps coming up as a cause, but this tank has had gen 1 radions over it since the day I set it up 3 years ago. Those don't emit any UV from what I understand?

ETA: other than that alk disaster which was short term, my big three have been relatively stable. Low-ish, but stable. My calcium hovers around 400 +/- 10ppm, and my alk stays in the 7-7.5 range. My mag has only departed from the 1220-1240 range once in three years, about a year and a half before this started.
 
oh, I have also been using orca-labs nitraguard cubes. I can't remember if I said that. This tank has had some form of carbon dosing for most of its life. It was biopellets for ~2 years, but there was a major change to the way I was using them within a couple weeks of this starting for the first time last February, right before the whole tank fell apart and I nearly lost every coral. Then I didn't use them for 6ish months, and then started using the nitraguard cubes.

The only thing I can really do is try taking the cubes offline. I'm not sure how else to control nitrates however.
 
Larcat you've done an amazing job researching. The pics in this thread are probably the best compilation of the issue to date. What is going on in my tank is definitely the hyperplasia, not neoplasia.

Thanks. I feel like this issue has to be solveable, but it won't be if all the info is scattered. I'm going to try and keep this thing live.

FWIW, this hasn't gone away for me. I've started tossing the corals this is affecting, but I can't bring myself to chisel out that big bonsai - it's literally the tank's centre-piece.

We've tossed one -- Nilbog Resident from Battle Corals. It had grown lots, but hadn't branched at all. Just his massing, chalice-looking hyperplasial growth :( Don't be so quick to toss though -- Dr. Williams has proven that recovery is possible/common after physical removal of impacted growth. For many people, I think, other tank issues lead to crashes before they can "prune" away all the hyperplasial growth.

I'm going to make another post about this later, but Mark Shick, head of special collections at the Shedd Aquarium was kind enough to return a voice mail I left him. He said much the same thing as Dr. Williams -- "Environmental, cut away impacted areas, no firm handle on why it happens." He also said that as we get better at this hobby, hyperplasia will become a more common issue -- People will start having these long term issues rather than just "Look at tank wrong, RTN, restart." I think it is an important point (he put it much more eloquently, I'm paraphrasing rather vulgarly.)

I've been trying to isolate the issue, but too many things have happened with the tank recently for me to be able to say one thing or the other is the cause of it - I've cratered the salinity by accident and had a doser malfunction that let my alk drop to 4.2 that wreaked quite a bit of havoc. Frankly I'm surprised more of my corals aren't toast.

Keep at it, and don't give up!

One nice thing I have going atm is a relatively stable tank. We added a carbon reactor about 2 weeks ago in case it is allelopathy (we have lots of LPS and Ricordia.) If ours goes away, we've got a relatively "controlled" piece of evidence for allelopathy. Mr. Schick also floated allelopathy as a potential cause.

It definitely seems like once this happens to a colony, there's no going back. It doesn't die, but the growth pattern totally changes and growth slows way way down. I've fragged off about half of the bonsai to try and get to healthy tissue at various times and that seems to have helped, but this is happening to 1 out of three of the new growth tips. Any coral this is not affecting, however, is just fine.

I've had the exact same experience. Once the polyp "tuliping" starts, branching growth stops, and the only growth is massing hyperplasial growth. When I snip, I will have normal growth for a while, maybe even a couple inches, but the hyperplasia will kick in eventually and stop the continued growth. It isn't just an aesthetic issue -- it slows growth.

What lighting is everyone running? UV keeps coming up as a cause, but this tank has had gen 1 radions over it since the day I set it up 3 years ago. Those don't emit any UV from what I understand?

Radion 1s do not have "UV" diodes at all. I run 1 Gen 2 Pro and 2 Gen 3 Pros, which do have "UV" diodes. Just a note -- the "UV" diodes in our LEDs aren't really UV. They are right in the 400 nm range. AFAIK Kessils do have "real" UV.

ETA: other than that alk disaster which was short term, my big three have been relatively stable. Low-ish, but stable. My calcium hovers around 400 +/- 10ppm, and my alk stays in the 7-7.5 range. My mag has only departed from the 1220-1240 range once in three years, about a year and a half before this started.

Yup. I'm not a man of science, but I think we can conclude at this point that it isn't a Big 3 issue. At least not only a Big 3 issue.
 
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