Addiction wins, 450 gallon system begins
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rjwilson37
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Looks very nice, I like it! You LR structure is very cool/
jnarowe
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Aquascape looks great!
I think Terminator is a good name for a 12" Cichlid...
Question: I see you want to lower your SG to below 1.014. Why is that? The fish you have all have requirements that are higher, according to liveaquaria.com and I am puzzled by that. I see that in other tanks as well. WHy so low?--J
I think Terminator is a good name for a 12" Cichlid...
Question: I see you want to lower your SG to below 1.014. Why is that? The fish you have all have requirements that are higher, according to liveaquaria.com and I am puzzled by that. I see that in other tanks as well. WHy so low?--J
melev: LoL Thanks, he looks a lil tiny in there.
ohioreefer & sixxer: Thanks for the compliments.
rjwilson37: Thanks, there is one rock that is driving me nuts in there and after a few more weeks I think that it's going to be banished to the sump
jnarowe & DerekW: OK bare with me here. While in my research phase I had read several articles and opinions that said to place all tangs in hypo for four weeks. This was because of their high susceptibility to carrying ich and the fact that it eases the fish. This is why I was aiming for a SG of 1.009.
However, over the past few days, staying up late getting ready for the transition back to working nights... I have done even more reading and found that this methodology of thinking is not so great. Now I'm stuck in the middle (literally) and trying to decide which way to go. I belive that I will be bringing the SG back up over the next few days via water changes and monitor closely. You have to understand I'm a little over protective of what goes in the tank. For the only reason, I don't want to move 500 lbs of rock to get to a sick chromis
Any suggestions? I'm all ears at this point...
ohioreefer & sixxer: Thanks for the compliments.
rjwilson37: Thanks, there is one rock that is driving me nuts in there and after a few more weeks I think that it's going to be banished to the sump
jnarowe & DerekW: OK bare with me here. While in my research phase I had read several articles and opinions that said to place all tangs in hypo for four weeks. This was because of their high susceptibility to carrying ich and the fact that it eases the fish. This is why I was aiming for a SG of 1.009.
However, over the past few days, staying up late getting ready for the transition back to working nights... I have done even more reading and found that this methodology of thinking is not so great. Now I'm stuck in the middle (literally) and trying to decide which way to go. I belive that I will be bringing the SG back up over the next few days via water changes and monitor closely. You have to understand I'm a little over protective of what goes in the tank. For the only reason, I don't want to move 500 lbs of rock to get to a sick chromis
Any suggestions? I'm all ears at this point...
jnarowe
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as far as ich goes, you'll see it within your QT period anyway, and my experience has been that raising the temperature during the early developmental stage (before you see it) and when the fish show signs of ich is the best way to get rid of it. Because there is a relatively short life cycle to ich, you should be able to deal with it within the QT period.--J
jnarowe
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PS. Also, what some people describe as ich on tangs sometimes is not ich. case in point: when I viewed my tank for the first time, there were about 10 tangs present. The owner had flipped the lights on so we could see it better. The fish all looked great, playing around the rock and in the water jets. After a while, I noticed that they all had white bumps, some all over their bodies. They seemed to appear while I was there. The owner said it was not ich, but a reaction to having the lights on off schedule. The tank was in a garage and he ran the lights at night to keep the tank cooler during the day.--J
jnarowe: Certainly something to ponder. I think that the information that I was reading is outdated. I bet that the information I was reading was "cutting edge" at the time. I think that some things in the hobby seem to go in trends. Much like the BB and silica sand debates I'll spend the next few days getting it back up.
Odin1: Thanks and sorry you had to spend 4 hours on it You know I never really thought that there would be much interest in it and was surprised at page 10 and perplexed by my 500th post... Welcome aboard though and I hope that it's been at least entertaining
I'll spend the next few days getting it back up.Odin1: Thanks and sorry you had to spend 4 hours on it
You know I never really thought that there would be much interest in it and was surprised at page 10 and perplexed by my 500th post... Welcome aboard though and I hope that it's been at least entertaining
melev
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Hop, I'm still wondering how I got 15000 posts. :lol:
If you want to discuss the benefit of 1.009 hyposalinity, just track down kwl1763. Keith will be happy to set you straight and give you the right info. In a nutshell, keeping your fish quarantined and even at 1.009 for 21 days straight is a great idea. You'll have to ramp up the salinity slowly for a couple more weeks until it matches your tank, but the fish will be healthy and disease free for sure. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5884082#post5884082
If you want to discuss the benefit of 1.009 hyposalinity, just track down kwl1763. Keith will be happy to set you straight and give you the right info. In a nutshell, keeping your fish quarantined and even at 1.009 for 21 days straight is a great idea. You'll have to ramp up the salinity slowly for a couple more weeks until it matches your tank, but the fish will be healthy and disease free for sure. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5884082#post5884082
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DerekW
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I dunno, it just to me like giving someone chemotherapy before they have cancer. If they are in a QT at normal salinity, and eating and healthy, they will fight off ich themselves, my understanding is that ich is always present, but only gets bad when a fishes immune system is weak from injury or stress, and hypo salinity seems like stress to me.
But dif'rnt strokes for dif'rnt folks I guess
But dif'rnt strokes for dif'rnt folks I guess
Hop, I have been reading your awsome thread from the beginning. Being a newbie I had no input till now. I have a pink anthias that came down with ich several weeks ago. He was given a fresh water dip and has been kept at a sg of 1.009 for almost 3 weeks now. He has had no more white spots since about day 2 and he has never been more active or hungry. In a nutshell my experience with hyposalinity has been all positive so far. Thankyou for the hours of reading you have given us. This thread is a valuable resource to us newbies. Fred
rjwilson37
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I have just always treated the problem that gave them ich in the first place. Concentrate on your environment like water parameters, skimming, water changes just to make there home a better place and remove the stress. This has always eventually worked for me in kicking the ich from the fish. I also mix garlic in my food which helps I think, even though some say it does not but I think it helps.
I just upgraded from my 55g to a 90g and my Blue Tang caught a bit of ich with all the stress from the move, but now she shows no signs of ich at all. It did take a couple weeks to kick the ich, but nothing positive happens very fast in this hobby, only bad things happen fast in this hobby.
I just upgraded from my 55g to a 90g and my Blue Tang caught a bit of ich with all the stress from the move, but now she shows no signs of ich at all. It did take a couple weeks to kick the ich, but nothing positive happens very fast in this hobby, only bad things happen fast in this hobby.
melev, DerekW, rjwilson37: Thanks for the replies. This issue still has me up in arms. I can see various points of the argument and still have the same dilemma. My main concerns are the health of the fish as a whole for the entire system. There seems to have been great write ups by knowledgeable people on both sides of the argument. Seems as though it really boils down to the personal choice of each aquarist. Thanks goodness the debate is not quite as heated as the pro-life argument Yeah the treatment for the disease is proven, but to employ it before or after the diagnosis seems to be where the line is split. Kind of like Dr.'s prescribing anti-biotics for everything...
ARIANNA: Thanks and welcome to the think tank! I'm glad that the hypo treated your fish and I hope that everyone understands by reading this that the thread was stared by a newbie for newbies Sometimes I think the learning curve is not in my favor... So much to learn!
Product update!
Ok so I think I can finally write something here that could be of true benefit to the aquaria world. Ok maybe not that exciting, but something that works. I was reading a thread yesterday about an unhappy acrylic owner who scratched their tank after only a few days with a cotton rag. Well I can tell you that after the first night of construction I tried to get some dust off my tank and tried to clean a small 2"X2" area and found small scratches as well. At that point I elected not to touch the viewing panes until I was better informed on how not to scratch it. So this is what I have figured out and it works really well for me. I wouldn't take this as gospel and I don't want someone getting upset if their tank gets scratched.
cleaning the outside...
I found some super soft cotton baby rags from Wal-Mart in the baby section. They are like 6"X6" and are incredibly soft. I use one WET to get the dust off the outside and let it dry. I then use another soft cloth to apply Kleenmaster Brillianize and follow the instructions on the bottle. I then use a third rag to polish the outside.
Cleaning the inside:
I still have not had to scrape due to the newness of the tank, however, my Algaefree Tigershark came in today. After I cleaned the outside as mentioned above (I think that the fine coat of polishing compound left on the acrylic really helps here) I slowly used the Tigershark as per the instructions provided. I also have some cotton diapers that came in the care package from envision that I use inside and on the top of the tank while wet.
I received zero scratches and found that by taking my time, the clarity looking into the tank is incredible. I hope this helps people out there. I know that the scratches will happen, but I found taking my time really helps!
Yeah the treatment for the disease is proven, but to employ it before or after the diagnosis seems to be where the line is split. Kind of like Dr.'s prescribing anti-biotics for everything...ARIANNA: Thanks and welcome to the think tank! I'm glad that the hypo treated your fish and I hope that everyone understands by reading this that the thread was stared by a newbie for newbies
Sometimes I think the learning curve is not in my favor... So much to learn!Product update!
Ok so I think I can finally write something here that could be of true benefit to the aquaria world. Ok maybe not that exciting, but something that works. I was reading a thread yesterday about an unhappy acrylic owner who scratched their tank after only a few days with a cotton rag. Well I can tell you that after the first night of construction I tried to get some dust off my tank and tried to clean a small 2"X2" area and found small scratches as well. At that point I elected not to touch the viewing panes until I was better informed on how not to scratch it. So this is what I have figured out and it works really well for me. I wouldn't take this as gospel and I don't want someone getting upset if their tank gets scratched.
cleaning the outside...
I found some super soft cotton baby rags from Wal-Mart in the baby section. They are like 6"X6" and are incredibly soft. I use one WET to get the dust off the outside and let it dry. I then use another soft cloth to apply Kleenmaster Brillianize and follow the instructions on the bottle. I then use a third rag to polish the outside.
Cleaning the inside:
I still have not had to scrape due to the newness of the tank, however, my Algaefree Tigershark came in today. After I cleaned the outside as mentioned above (I think that the fine coat of polishing compound left on the acrylic really helps here) I slowly used the Tigershark as per the instructions provided. I also have some cotton diapers that came in the care package from envision that I use inside and on the top of the tank while wet.
I received zero scratches and found that by taking my time, the clarity looking into the tank is incredible. I hope this helps people out there. I know that the scratches will happen, but I found taking my time really helps!
jnarowe
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great post HOP. Thanks! If you saw how many scratches my tank has, you would need a defribulator. I just got in my kit from Micro-mesh, so I will be using that as my first offensive move. I'll post when I come up with the results.
Everyone keep in mind thatwhen removing scratches, you must sand/polish the same amount of space for the same amount of time. Using a timer is the best way to deal with that, and marking the tank with a grid (wax pencil) helps too. That way you do a specific amount of space like 12' x 12" for a specific amount of time with each abrasive/polish. That gives you an even finish which is imperative to optical quality.--J
Everyone keep in mind thatwhen removing scratches, you must sand/polish the same amount of space for the same amount of time. Using a timer is the best way to deal with that, and marking the tank with a grid (wax pencil) helps too. That way you do a specific amount of space like 12' x 12" for a specific amount of time with each abrasive/polish. That gives you an even finish which is imperative to optical quality.--J
Well the first major panic happened today. My wife woke me up this morning to tell me that the power was out. We called the power company and they said that a construction company had hit a main as well as all DSL service to the area. They told us that our neighborhood was a low priority and to expect it to be off the remainder of the day:eek2: When we told the person on the phone that we would lose all life in a 500 gallon SW system, she said she would see what she could do. She called back about twenty minutes later and advised that our neighborhood was moved to the top of the priority list
WHEW. The power came back on about thirty minutes later.
I did manage to get a hold of a friend that has a large generator and he said that I could bring it down to my house and use it as much as I like, he only uses it for camping. So now I'm pricing generators
And everyone seems so proud of theirs...
DSL is still out and I have to use my wopping 26k dial up connection... That I can live with
WHEW. The power came back on about thirty minutes later.I did manage to get a hold of a friend that has a large generator and he said that I could bring it down to my house and use it as much as I like, he only uses it for camping. So now I'm pricing generators
And everyone seems so proud of theirs...DSL is still out and I have to use my wopping 26k dial up connection... That I can live with
Lunchbucket
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WOW! glad you misseed that disaster!! note to self...get a big generator hooked up in the service of the house
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Dudester
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Buy the generator!! I couldn't imagine spending all of that investment, both in time and money, and have it all be for naught after a prolonged power outage. By the time your tank's stocked, a generator will pay for itself 10-fold in the event of a single half-day "lights out" period.
Hop, I've been lurking since the beginning. Looking really good. Thanks for sharing all this with us.
A question about keeping your tank front clean. I've got a glass tank and have trouble with corraline algae which needs aggressive scraping. What do you do to keep corraline under control with an acrylic tank?
A question about keeping your tank front clean. I've got a glass tank and have trouble with corraline algae which needs aggressive scraping. What do you do to keep corraline under control with an acrylic tank?
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