Algae help

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Two semesters ago I unfortunately let my tank husbandry slip and lost most of my corals, inverts, and a couple fish. This was followed by a spike in my water levels and a green algae bloom. I have spent since december and all of last semester trying to get the algae to go away. I have installed a biopellet reactor, gfo reactor, perform weekly water changes and yet the algae still persists.

My tank is an established tank having been running in its current setup for 4+ years. It's 120 gal with a 30 gal cryptic sump. LED lighting, 10 fish (mostly clowns and dwarf angels), reef dynamics skimmer, bio pellet and gfo reactors.

Latest tank readings are:
Ammonia .75ppm
Nitrite. 0.1 ppm
Nitrate 1.3 ppm
Phosphate 0.08 ppm

Reading other threads based on pics of other people's algae issues I raised magnesium levels to 2000 a month ago which has had a little affect. I have no idea where the cause of the recorded levels are coming from. Any ideas are appreciated.
 

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If you want to get rid of the hair algae in relatively short time, a week or so, use API's AlgaeFix Marine. It just flat out works. HERE is a thread here on RC of testimonials. It does not affect fish or corals.

To keep it gone, a Algae Turf Scrubber will do so. Using this with a good skimmer, will keep your tank looking great again.

This is from my personal experience on my 150g and 90g. I used a bio pellet reactor for 8 months, with no affect. HTH
 
The algaefix looks and sounds promising so I purchased some today and started the first dose. In case someone else stumbles upon my post and for my own personal record I will update results. We will see if after 8 ish months of battling this algae it can finally be vanquished.
 
The algaefix looks and sounds promising so I purchased some today and started the first dose. In case someone else stumbles upon my post and for my own personal record I will update results. We will see if after 8 ish months of battling this algae it can finally be vanquished.

Please keep the forum updated. Most of the time, we never hear back results.

Do you use a UV sterilzer?
 
Iv will help keep it gone. But I have had success with algaefix took me about a month to get it sorted out but I was terrible at keeping up with it.
 
You may (and probably do) have phosphate coming out of the rocks:

Many people, when they get their nutrients low for the first time, get worried when more (not less) algae starts to grow on their rocks. It seems really strange, especially when nitrate and phosphate have gone lower than before. What is happening is that phosphate is coming out of the rocks. Remember, phosphate is invisible, so you can only see the effects of it, and it always "flows" from higher concentrations to lower concentrations (just like heat does).

Example: If your room is warm, and you put a cold object on the floor, heat from the air in the room will "flow" into the object until the object and the air are the same temperature. Example 2: If you put a hot object on the floor, heat will "flow" out of the object and go into the air in the room, again, until the air and the object are the same temperature. Now suppose you open your windows (in the winter). The warm air in your room will go out the windows, and it will get colder in the room. The object on the floor is now warmer than the air, so heat will flow out of the object and into the air, and then out the window.

Think of phosphate as the heat, and your rocks as the object, and your windows as the scrubber. As the scrubber pulls phosphate out of the water, the phosphate level in the water drops. Now, since the phosphate level in the water is lower than the phosphate level in the rocks, phosphate flows from the rocks into the water, and then from the water into the scrubber. This continues until the phosphate levels in the rocks and water are level again. And remember, you can't see this invisible flow.

This flow causes an interesting thing to happen. As the phosphate comes out of the rocks, it then becomes available to feed algae as soon as the phosphate reaches the surface of the rocks where there is light. So, since the surface of the rocks is rough and has light, it starts growing MORE algae there (not less) as the phosphate comes out of the rocks. This is a pretty amazing thing to see for the first time, because if you did not know what was happening you would probably think that the algae was mysteriously being added to your tank. Here are the signs of phosphate coming out of the rocks:

1. The rocks are older, and have slowly developed algae problems in the past year.

2. Your filters have recently started to work well, or you made them stronger.

3. Nitrate and phosphate measurements in the water are low, usually the lowest they have been in a long time.

4. Green hair algae (not brown) on the rocks has increased in certain spots, usually on corners and protrusions at the top.

5. The glass has not needed cleaning as much.


Many people have never seen the effects of large amounts of phosphate coming out of the rocks quickly. But sure enough it does if you keep nutrients low enough in the water. How long does it continue? For 2 months to a year, depending on how much phosphate is in the rocks, how much feeding you do, and how strong your filters are. But one day you will see patches of white rock that were covered in green hair the day before; this is a sure sign that the algae are losing their phosphate supply from the rocks and can no longer hold on. Now it's just a matter of days before the rocks are clear.
 
Fantastic writeup! Thank you!

I think that I have 2 problems in my tank. Most definitely phosphate is coming out of the rocks. They are the same rocks I have had since I started the hobby 10+ years ago, and the neglect. I built a sulfur reactor about a year ago and added it to the tank, It was working great, then the algae started. I thought it was something I did wrong with the reactor, so I converted the sulfur reactor into a biopellet reactor but the problem continued. Then with classes and work etc, I neglected the tank and algae really took off. I think after all is back and the algae gone, I will put the sulfur reactor back online as it is cheaper to run than the biopellets.

The white patch you mentioned happened to a flat rock I have glued in place to make a cave. That happened months ago and the algae around the other rocks are growing quite nicely, until I started adding the Algaefix that is. Now the algae is starting to turn lighter color and hopefully from reading other posts will die off and not come back. Hopefully with the reactor it will continue pulling the phosphate out of the rock and the algae wont come back.

My hope in adding the reactors was to change from soft corals to doing a mixed reef. I would like to have a mix of corals instead of the leathers, mushrooms and zoos I seem to be stuck with now.
 
Algaefix seems to be working. The algae is starting to thin and I am able to remove a lot using my hand and a toothbrush. The biropsis?? Algae is taking longer to respond but I do see some spots where it is starting to lighten up in color. I've done a water change removing what I was able too and see a definite deference.
 
Algaefix seems to be working. The algae is starting to thin and I am able to remove a lot using my hand and a toothbrush. The biropsis?? Algae is taking longer to respond but I do see some spots where it is starting to lighten up in color. I've done a water change removing what I was able too and see a definite deference.

Good news for sure.

To speed up the bryopsis on corals, you can dip them in hydrogen peroxide/tank water.
 
Good news for sure.

To speed up the bryopsis on corals, you can dip them in hydrogen peroxide/tank water.

At what ratio? How long do you dip them for? SPS corals only or soft too? I have a colony of ricordia mushrooms that has some bryopsis, but I dont want to damage the corals.
 
biropsis??

Bryopsis is one of the most difficult nuisance algae to get rid of, if that is what type of algae you have? Algaefix will not kill off Bryopsis, it will grow back and manual removal appeared to spread the bryopsis throughout a system due to fragmentation.

The latest trend involves elevating levels of magnesium from normal range to 1500-1600 ppm. Most aquarists who have tried this method feel this is the fastest and least detrimental way to correct the dilemma. The theory behind this is that the magnesium stops the photosynthetic process in bryopsis, but it does not affect other desirable macroalgae and tank inhabitants. However, some hobbyists suspect that an elevated level of magnesium can kill desirable invertebrates.
Edit: KENT MARINE TECH M MAGNESIUM is the only product that seems to work.
 
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I am still dosing Algaefix. The hair algae is still dying off but now more slowly. I have had my Magnesium over 1600 ppm for a month now. It seems to have no affect on the bryopsis. Starting to get a little worried that I will never get rid of the stuff.

Now over the last couple days I now have a white algae/sponge substance growing. It is by the location of my auto feeder I got for Fathers Day. I don't have it feeding much, once a day, per my algae issues are not resolved. I have no idea where this stuff is coming from, what it is, or if it is good or bad....will post pics of it soon.
 
Another pic. I had nothing a few days ago and now this. It is very fast growing, completely white. Looks like when you use Joe's Juice/kalk for aptasia and have it laying on the sand....best way to describe it I guess.
 

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Based upon your pics above concerning your sandbed, it could be anything.

Stir up the top of the sand bed, use a turkey baster to blow water on the rocks. Do this several times, with about 3 days in between. Clean your filter socks, sponge, whatever your mechanical filtration may be between rounds. This will help tremendously.
 
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