Algae Scrubber Basics

I wouldn't worry about keeping condensation off the plastic-the sun will punch plenty of light through.
How about using a fan for temp control and if it helps with condensation, that's a side benefit?

Won't it be a royal pain to climb on the roof to harvest?
 
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In terms of cucumbers... I only keep sand cleaners. My favorites are the tigers!! The water sifters, like apples, have caused disasters and usually die in many tanks. I haven't tried any in mine: I've even had two cucumbers die when they lodged themselves in my rockwork' unusual formations. I chose to leave them there and my scavengers consumed them. Strangely enough, I've been finding baby cucumbers now too. The cucumber needs a FED tank. If you are going to have a tank on a diet, they're not for you. If you feed, they will work to keep the sand polished. With so many, they actually exhibit interesting nighttime socialization too.

Do you have hermits with the Cucumbers. I would be concerned hermits may go after them?
 
So here are my first 6 harvests (scrubber went online on 29/02). 2 cube/day screen (15cmWx10cmL), 20W LED grow light either side 18h on/6h off, approx 800L/h flow. I am not sure why but the last two harvests have gone down considerably in weight (and looks).

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The GHA in my display decreased very rapidly for the first 4 weeks and now seems to either be not receding or receding very slowly, so there is still excess nutrients to be used. However now that the screen is well matured I may pick up on feeding a bit more again.

Reduction of GHA in the first month
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Harvest #5 had something weird happen where a whole section of algae came away from the screen and I am not sure why. Harvest numbers 5 & 6 (and to some extent 4) also didn't look anywhere near as green as harvests 2 and 3 were. Should I move my lights closer to the screen? They are currently 9cm away from the screen on either side and can be moved up to 3cm away from the screen before they touch the acrylic window.

Not sure why else the harvest sizes would have gone down so much. Each harvest except for the first is quite well squeezed to remove water before being weighed.

Cheers,

Macca
 
I would let it grow longer, the 7 day rule really isn't very good, it was for CFLs in certain setups but the longer you can let it grow, the better. 10-14 days. I try to never go past 16 days because even with high power LEDs, you can start to see the first signs of detachment.

As far as the changing conditions of the screen I wouldn't get too concerned with this at this point. Things are still settling in, and your tank might be finding a new "set point" so your growth can tend to vary quite a bit from cycle to cycle. What you are looking for is a long term pattern of growth, first step is to get a mature screen and then you can start to see that pattern.

But I like your detailed record keeping, that's fantastic, makes troubleshooting a lot easier.

Regarding screen maturity, this is something that I have been meaning to write up for a while, been rolling thoughts around in my head....here's where I'm currently headed (not a guideline yet)

First 4-6 weeks of a screen are the initial maturing phase. This is where you get the first sprigs of algae attaching, and holes start to fill in - sometimes quickly, other times not so much. When you scrape a screen and 25-50% of the holes stay filled in (before you rinse with water) then you are approaching the end of this initial maturing stage.

During this stage, you should never scrub the screen with a stiff brush, with the exception of the area near the slot/screen junction (which you should always scrub). Just a palm swipe and/or maybe dragging the scraper or credit card across to loosen any poorly attached growth, and a brief rinse. You are really not "cleaning" at this point. Maintenance every 10-14 days, can go every 7 days if your gut tells you to (you are getting full coverage, i.e. cannot see the screen pattern = clean it) but in general, let it grow. But do not start singing "Let it Grow" to the tune of Frozen. You can tank me later for now having that song stuck in your head.

Next 1-2 months: secondary maturing. This is just a continuation of the initial stage, but the screen will now form a better calcification layer (as long as you don't scrub it really hard with a brush all the time!!!) and this will allow algae to get an even stronger foothold. The holes will fill in more and even if growth comes out of the holes after a cleaning, there will still be algae attached to the canvas around the edge of the hole (this is all that really matters, the holes don't have to be 100% occluded to be considered "filled in"). You will be scraping and rinsing the screen, and maybe passing over the screen with a soft toothbrush (in a 'swipe' not a scrub pattern) but still no hard scrubbing, and you shouldn't necessarily need to use the scraper like a chisel, you should still be able to drag it across and remove most of the growth (this may never change for you actually)

4+ months (4-6 week initial, 2 month secondary): your screen should really be rocking and rolling at this point, when you scrape both sides you should have nearly 100% full occlusion of the holes prior to rinsing, and you may have areas that really require you to put some elbow grease into it to get the algae off. You might start seeing funky growth like dark red turf (that looks orange when you scrape/squeeze it) or stuff that is kind of like fingers or nodules (once described to me as a "koosh ball" except with more thickness), some of these will come and go, some will stay and you might need to scrub it off with a stiff brush from time to time (like the red turf) in order to keep the fast-growing GHA in play.
 
I would let it grow longer, the 7 day rule really isn't very good, it was for CFLs in certain setups but the longer you can let it grow, the better. 10-14 days. I try to never go past 16 days because even with high power LEDs, you can start to see the first signs of detachment.

As far as the changing conditions of the screen I wouldn't get too concerned with this at this point. Things are still settling in, and your tank might be finding a new "set point" so your growth can tend to vary quite a bit from cycle to cycle. What you are looking for is a long term pattern of growth, first step is to get a mature screen and then you can start to see that pattern.

But I like your detailed record keeping, that's fantastic, makes troubleshooting a lot easier.

Thanks Floyd. As always really great info. I will increase cleaning time to 10 days for now and see how it goes over the next 2-3 harvests and will then maybe increase it to 14 :)

The plan is to keep taking those 4 photos each cleaning (each side, the slot of the pipe and dry harvest weight). Putting it into a little collage really helps me see at a glance how well the screen is going now vs a week or two ago. It also makes it very easy in times like this when I am not sure if I need to change something and ask for help :thumbsup:

That's also some good instructions on screen progression, it will fit in very well with your current write up. I fit right into the secondary maturing phase in both time passed and description, however I really have to scrape the credit card over the screen quite a bit to get the majority of growth off :dance:
 
^ I have 2 of those 20W lights on my 2 cube/day scrubber. They are doing ok for off the shelf units but I recommend you size them to be one size bigger than the recommendations as since they are a multichip they work out to be 1W LEDs but are actually just under 1W each. As far as I am aware those and the thin black grow flood lights are the only off the shelf units that work as LED scrubber lights.
 
So these would be 12/8=1.5 right?
I'm suspicious of it based on that actually. You find very few 3W chips on cheapo fixtures. For this to be true, they would have to actually be telling the truth and these are 3W chips operating at about 600mA, which would mean they would be at about 1.5W each, and that would neglect driver losses. Ask more questions on that one.

Ok

So for this light it says power 20W and there are 16reds and 4blues so these are 1W LEDs right?

They are definitely 1W LEDs (almost all multichip grow lights are) and this is where you have to apply the marketing rule, which is that it's been a 1W ship for so long, they still call it that even though it doesn't actually consume 1W. So 20 x "1W" chips = 20W, even though it probably only draws 12-14 and that also includes driver losses.

They are doing ok for off the shelf units but I recommend you size them to be one size bigger than the recommendations as since they are a multichip they work out to be 1W LEDs but are actually just under 1W each.
^ yup
 
Ok

So for this light it says power 20W and there are 16reds and 4blues so these are 1W LEDs right?
Yep and as probably as everyone says they might be a little less that 1w per led. But they were cheap and plug and play. I wasn't ready to start making my own leds yet. But the proof is in the picture.
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Ok just cleaned the screen. This is my 2nd time for this screen. I started a new one a month ago cause I roughed up the top part of the first one and had to much algea growing up into the top.
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this actually had some red growing in there. Have not seen this before. This is actually the heaviest it's felt yet. This has been going two weeks.
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this is the weight after squeezing most of the water out.
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Lost as to what the difference is between that type of light and the other type of LED. I'm really confused with these power ratings they seem to be listed different ways. Some say output some say power some match the listing and some don't

I do like those lights. The only thing is space is tight for me. How far does the body stick out?
 
SM- explain why phosphate bound in any sort of calcium based rock would leach at different rates with the same ambient saturation levels present, based on the chemistry I just don't see it working that way.

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Algae Scrubber Basics

The theory is that some is loosely bound on the soft surface of the rock, this is somewhat easily "accessible". The kind you reference is bound on the matrix (with Agent Smith) and requires low pH to dissolve it. This can be done with an acid bath (obviously, killing the rock) or (the theory) via cleaving by Phosphate Solubulizing Bacteria (PSB).

My take on that it that bacteria and algae have a somewhat symbiotic relationship in this process - the bacteria create a localized low pH area which "cleaves" the phosphate, and the algae then uses it to grow. As I understand it, when this happens (the cleaving) the localized pH jumps due to the liberation of other materials, so either it is a very slow process on a cellular level (which is then dependent on the size and "tenacity" of the bacterial colony) or we just don't fully understand how it works. Likely, the latter. Especially if the agents have cut the hard line and the bacteria can't tell us anything about the matrix.

Completely off topic, but I now believe that Agent Smith is actually "The One"
 
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