Amazing what switching to Radiums can do (before and after)

one of my pendants fell into the tank a few months ago (250w phoenix DE) and I took that opportunity to pickup a Hamilton Bali pendant and Radium (running on the same hqi ballast.) Side by side both bulbs are extremely close to the same color, but I would give that slight edge to the Radium. Eventually I'll switch out the 2nd phoenix for a Radium as well, not anytime soon because im broke and don't want to buy another pendant if I don't have to :)



You know in all my research it's almost as much the m80 ballast as it is with anything else.
 
I just hung a radium over my tank - i am always amazed at how much pop the corals show for how white the bulb burns. It is just perfect and I keep going back to it time and time again.
 
You can't go wrong with Radiums :)

I'm hopefully picking up a Giesemann Spectra 400w with 4x24w T5's. Same as the units over your tank. I've subscribed to your YT channel recently. Great info on your channel by the way. :thumbsup: But I wouldnt expect any less from a great reefer as you. :)

I'm going to mod it into 400w Halide, 2x24w T5 and 30watts of Blue LED's over two strips. Combine the best of ALL 3 technologies. :D Something I've wanted to do for many years. Cant wait. :lol:
 
I'm hopefully picking up a Giesemann Spectra 400w with 4x24w T5's. Same as the units over your tank. I've subscribed to your YT channel recently. Great info on your channel by the way. :thumbsup: But I wouldnt expect any less from a great reefer as you. :)

I'm going to mod it into 400w Halide, 2x24w T5 and 30watts of Blue LED's over two strips. Combine the best of ALL 3 technologies. :D Something I've wanted to do for many years. Cant wait. :lol:

What happened to trying radions?
 
Just curious as to how long your photo period is and if your Radiums are 250 or 400 watt.

I have 3 250 Watt Raduims over my 180. They are 12 inches AWL and the photo period is 9 hours.

I also supplement with 4 80 Watt t5 (ATI)
 
I'm hopefully picking up a Giesemann Spectra 400w with 4x24w T5's. Same as the units over your tank. I've subscribed to your YT channel recently. Great info on your channel by the way. :thumbsup: But I wouldnt expect any less from a great reefer as you. :)

I'm going to mod it into 400w Halide, 2x24w T5 and 30watts of Blue LED's over two strips. Combine the best of ALL 3 technologies. :D Something I've wanted to do for many years. Cant wait. :lol:
Thanks! I considered doing a mod as well to incorporate some "supplemental" LEDs :) Maybe down the road.

I do love the fixture.....you won't be disappointed.
 
Any more "other lights" conversion to Radium successes? Photos would be much appreciated.
OK, I'll play. Not the best photos, but they were both taken with the same cell phone camera. The tank has been re-scaped a bit, but most of the corals are the same. Setup has not changed at all, except for lighting. This is not meant to bash any "one" light source, but for me Radiums are where I'll be for a long time. I will say I tend to tinker too much with leds, I just can't leave well enough alone. They are so damn controllable, it drives me crazy. Probably why I'm more successful with a tried and true "on and off" setup.

February 11, 2014 --LED lit tank

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November 7, 2015 -- 250 watt Radium lit tank / supplemented with actinic reefbrite leds

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Just curious as to how long your photo period is and if your Radiums are 250 or 400 watt.

I have 3 250 Watt Raduims over my 180. They are 12 inches AWL and the photo period is 9 hours.

I also supplement with 4 80 Watt t5 (ATI)

I have 3 x 250W on M80s

My photo period is 7hrs

they are 8" above the water.
 
Amazing what switching to Radiums can do (before and after)

And after seeing the pics I'm back on the Cebu Sun fixture with Radiums bandwagon.

Thanks for keeping me on track lol!
 
I run two 250w radiums, 4 T5s, and 2 ReefBrite XHO's on my main tank. Absolutely love this combo! Even my halide hater buddies like the colors of both the lights and the corals :lolspin:
 
What happened to trying radions?

Sorry buddy, I've not been able to be on the forums much lately. In terms of the Radions (I will update my thread at some point and give my review/experience of the Radions):

In terms of overall SPS; the radions do come close to my T5/LED hybrid units. For a mixed reef, I think LED's are just fine.

In terms of light coverage, you need lots of units to get same coverage as T5.

My tank is practically 95% SPS and 90% of that is acropora. Hence I have noticed subtle changes in some of my acros that I'm not happy about.
What I wasnt happy about was for example, my Red Planet: its no way as red as before. It didnt brown out...rather it looks like a purplely red planet. Maybe its a spectrum thing I dont know. The frag I gave to my buddy turned the same kind of colour in his tank. Its like a kind of purple red rather than the more red tone I had under T5's.

The other coral with significant change is my "rainbow" granulosa...it had a green base, changing to a sky blue towards the tips with a purple tip face. Its turned largely green. Lost the sky blue colour completely. I'd adjust the spectrum and measured the PAR levels but couldnt get the sky blue colour back.

Another acro with pink corallite edges and red polyps lost the red polyps and the pink corallites.

So as I said earlier in the post; for a mixed reef or a reefkeeper who is going new into the hobby and or newly with SPS isnt going to notice these subtle differences...and they will rightly say, yeah sure LEDs/Radions are fine for acros...and they are...but IMO they dont pull that extra bit of colour and some acros dont look as nice. They could be coloured nicely, but for me acros that had more than two or more colours have morphed into single or double colours.

Now I am being very critical here, but keeping a tank full of acros I can notice the changes.

The other thing I didnt like was how dim the Radions look...I couldnt get used to the dimmer look...they look dim, but the PAR is there. If I turned them up to how bright my corals looked under my T5's, the PAR levels went up crazy...

...Which tells me the light is VERY directional and pointing largely down. There isnt as much scatter as there is with T5's or MH in a reflector.

What confirmed my above observation was the top facing tissue have nice colour, but the sides and anything in shadow has turned pale. With my T5's I didnt have this issue.

I think had I went with a couple of Radions and T5 as supplemental, I wouldnt be changing anything right now....

But since I decided to change up again, I came across a used Giesemann 400w in very good condition and decided to snap it up. I didnt even haggle with the price, I just offered the asking price-which wasnt cheap considering how cheap most halide setups go for these days...but being able to run 400w Radium and T5 and possibly LED's if I carry out a mod...I couldnt resist. :D
 
Sorry buddy, I've not been able to be on the forums much lately. In terms of the Radions (I will update my thread at some point and give my review/experience of the Radions):

In terms of overall SPS; the radions do come close to my T5/LED hybrid units. For a mixed reef, I think LED's are just fine.

In terms of light coverage, you need lots of units to get same coverage as T5.

My tank is practically 95% SPS and 90% of that is acropora. Hence I have noticed subtle changes in some of my acros that I'm not happy about.
What I wasnt happy about was for example, my Red Planet: its no way as red as before. It didnt brown out...rather it looks like a purplely red planet. Maybe its a spectrum thing I dont know. The frag I gave to my buddy turned the same kind of colour in his tank. Its like a kind of purple red rather than the more red tone I had under T5's.

The other coral with significant change is my "rainbow" granulosa...it had a green base, changing to a sky blue towards the tips with a purple tip face. Its turned largely green. Lost the sky blue colour completely. I'd adjust the spectrum and measured the PAR levels but couldnt get the sky blue colour back.

Another acro with pink corallite edges and red polyps lost the red polyps and the pink corallites.

So as I said earlier in the post; for a mixed reef or a reefkeeper who is going new into the hobby and or newly with SPS isnt going to notice these subtle differences...and they will rightly say, yeah sure LEDs/Radions are fine for acros...and they are...but IMO they dont pull that extra bit of colour and some acros dont look as nice. They could be coloured nicely, but for me acros that had more than two or more colours have morphed into single or double colours.

Now I am being very critical here, but keeping a tank full of acros I can notice the changes.

The other thing I didnt like was how dim the Radions look...I couldnt get used to the dimmer look...they look dim, but the PAR is there. If I turned them up to how bright my corals looked under my T5's, the PAR levels went up crazy...

...Which tells me the light is VERY directional and pointing largely down. There isnt as much scatter as there is with T5's or MH in a reflector.

What confirmed my above observation was the top facing tissue have nice colour, but the sides and anything in shadow has turned pale. With my T5's I didnt have this issue.

I think had I went with a couple of Radions and T5 as supplemental, I wouldnt be changing anything right now....

But since I decided to change up again, I came across a used Giesemann 400w in very good condition and decided to snap it up. I didnt even haggle with the price, I just offered the asking price-which wasnt cheap considering how cheap most halide setups go for these days...but being able to run 400w Radium and T5 and possibly LED's if I carry out a mod...I couldnt resist. :D

+1..
Very interesting and not surprising in the least, Sahin..
Generally speaking, this has been my exact same experience..
LEDs will work and even make sps very happy but they will not show the same colours as t5 and MH
Very well said and explained, Sahin. I might have posted something similar on your thread when you first mentioned you were going led...
Nice purchase! :)
 
Sorry buddy, I've not been able to be on the forums much lately. In terms of the Radions (I will update my thread at some point and give my review/experience of the Radions):

In terms of overall SPS; the radions do come close to my T5/LED hybrid units. For a mixed reef, I think LED's are just fine.

In terms of light coverage, you need lots of units to get same coverage as T5.

My tank is practically 95% SPS and 90% of that is acropora. Hence I have noticed subtle changes in some of my acros that I'm not happy about.
What I wasnt happy about was for example, my Red Planet: its no way as red as before. It didnt brown out...rather it looks like a purplely red planet. Maybe its a spectrum thing I dont know. The frag I gave to my buddy turned the same kind of colour in his tank. Its like a kind of purple red rather than the more red tone I had under T5's.

The other coral with significant change is my "rainbow" granulosa...it had a green base, changing to a sky blue towards the tips with a purple tip face. Its turned largely green. Lost the sky blue colour completely. I'd adjust the spectrum and measured the PAR levels but couldnt get the sky blue colour back.

Another acro with pink corallite edges and red polyps lost the red polyps and the pink corallites.

So as I said earlier in the post; for a mixed reef or a reefkeeper who is going new into the hobby and or newly with SPS isnt going to notice these subtle differences...and they will rightly say, yeah sure LEDs/Radions are fine for acros...and they are...but IMO they dont pull that extra bit of colour and some acros dont look as nice. They could be coloured nicely, but for me acros that had more than two or more colours have morphed into single or double colours.

Now I am being very critical here, but keeping a tank full of acros I can notice the changes.

The other thing I didnt like was how dim the Radions look...I couldnt get used to the dimmer look...they look dim, but the PAR is there. If I turned them up to how bright my corals looked under my T5's, the PAR levels went up crazy...

...Which tells me the light is VERY directional and pointing largely down. There isnt as much scatter as there is with T5's or MH in a reflector.

What confirmed my above observation was the top facing tissue have nice colour, but the sides and anything in shadow has turned pale. With my T5's I didnt have this issue.

I think had I went with a couple of Radions and T5 as supplemental, I wouldnt be changing anything right now....

But since I decided to change up again, I came across a used Giesemann 400w in very good condition and decided to snap it up. I didnt even haggle with the price, I just offered the asking price-which wasnt cheap considering how cheap most halide setups go for these days...but being able to run 400w Radium and T5 and possibly LED's if I carry out a mod...I couldnt resist. :D

Sahin thank you for the response. As you know I run radions and I do have success. However, it is the only lighting source I have ever used so I was interested in hearing from you as you have used many different lighting systems.couple questions, did you use the wide angle lenses? And how long did you have them over tank, the corals may have just been adjusting still?
I often consider changing to t5 just to see, or adding 4 t5 retrofit to my radions. But as things are going well I have a hard time making a change in the tank. The bulb replacement thing is the other deterrent. But if I knew it would make things better then I would do it.
Sorry for the hijack of thread maybe this conversation should be in Sahin's or my thread. I apologize.
 
+1..
Very interesting and not surprising in the least, Sahin..
Generally speaking, this has been my exact same experience..
LEDs will work and even make sps very happy but they will not show the same colours as t5 and MH
Very well said and explained, Sahin. I might have posted something similar on your thread when you first mentioned you were going led...
Nice purchase! :)

Thanks for your input. I wanted to see for myself. I consider it part of my experience and knowledge of the hobby to be aware of and have first hand view of new technologies etc. I don't regret using the radions at all. I bought them used and so will be able to fetch a close price if I decide to sell. I'm not sure yet if I will sell them.
 
Thanks for your input. I wanted to see for myself. I consider it part of my experience and knowledge of the hobby to be aware of and have first hand view of new technologies etc. I don't regret using the radions at all. I bought them used and so will be able to fetch a close price if I decide to sell. I'm not sure yet if I will sell them.

Sahin, I didn't mean to come off smug, there...
I meant nice purchase on the Giesemann. Only after rereading my post did I realize it seemed like I was making light (pardon the pun!) of your Radion purchase..
We all have bought and been disappointed with hobby equipment... Took me 2 years to finally sell my 3 Mitras... My 2 Radion G3s, I sold with ease..
I've owned my share of Giesemann lights and they are very nice.
 
Sahin thank you for the response. As you know I run radions and I do have success. However, it is the only lighting source I have ever used so I was interested in hearing from you as you have used many different lighting systems.couple questions, did you use the wide angle lenses? And how long did you have them over tank, the corals may have just been adjusting still?
I often consider changing to t5 just to see, or adding 4 t5 retrofit to my radions. But as things are going well I have a hard time making a change in the tank. The bulb replacement thing is the other deterrent. But if I knew it would make things better then I would do it.
Sorry for the hijack of thread maybe this conversation should be in Sahin's or my thread. I apologize.
If they are working for you I wouldn't change to be honest. As I said in my earlier post, I was being quite critical.

Fwiw I chatted to Mike Palleta who used to run Radiums over his tank and switched to radions. Overall he is very happy but did say via Facebook messages that some acros didn't appreciate the change. Mike mentioned millepora especially.

With regards to your questions. I am using the standard lens. But my buddy is using the wide angle lens and the light coverage issue is only slightly resolved. The issues with LEDs and how light is delivered over sps is not going to be solved much by going to wider lens. If you look at the spec sheets of most LED diodes a huge portion of the light is sent out in the first 30 degrees cone...unless one uses diffusing lens or plates it will remain so.

Regarding the colour issue, my buddies tank has been running with radions much longer and in terms of acro colours the results are the same. I gave him frags well before I got my radions. His radions are well tuned as he has many years experience with radions. I took a really good look at his acros only last week and the results were very similar to mine. That's not to say that the results are bad, actually pretty good.

Apologies to the OP for going off topic.

Now let's see more before and after radium acro shots. ☺
 
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