Amendment to the Bylaws (Council Members)

[vmiller]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8322240#post8322240 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Linda C.

(Also, Tom wants to know what happened to Beer Wench?)

Tell him that because he has already been to his first meeting, he is unfortunately not eligible to perform "Beer Wench" duties. However, if he wishes to bring people fresh beers without the gratification of the formal "Beer Wench" designation, he is free to do so and I'm sure the recipients would be delighted.

:rollface:

 

[vmiller]

Although .... the next meeting will be his first with his own screen name, right? Hmmm ...... We may need to make some bylaw clarifications.

Double :rollface:

 

[Remora 82]

Beer Wench

Beer Wench

Now that I have been called out of sorts I will respond to the call for "Beer Wench".
I will gladly refill your mugs, replace your cans and bottles or whatever type of container you require to be filled with beer etc. The only problem I may have is the Designation "Wench". I will be good with Beer Guy,Beer Boy, Beer person, Beer Meister, Beer Dude, Beer porter, Hell I'll even respond to "Hey you with the Beer! but please don't call me Beer Wench.
I feel better now.

Also Can I assume I am allowed to drink on the job? This would be a deal breaker.

 

[Dave ESPI]

I cast one seconding vote for Tom to be nicknamed " BEER WEEEEEEEENCH" at the next meeting.... hmm wouldn't that be at HIS HOUSE in November ?


sa-weeee-t


QUICK... Linda, gimme apic of Tom I can photoshop over this....

http://www.davidsanger.com/images/germany/3-955-12.waitress.y.jpg

 

[jallard]

why cant we have this wench instead....sorry tom

 

[ChrisBuono]

I think he is getting up set because you are not listining. I think the ideas and why they have been done have been reasonably explained. Maybe you should just let it drop. I do remember a discussion where I tried to explain to you group feelings on a topic that has been gone over many times by the group in the past and you posted "Dude I'm past this but you keep hanging on." Dude now your hanging on! I think Joe is over it as well as others in the group. You can't get enough people to bring this to the council let alone having them apvove it, and bring it to a vote. What are you trying to prove? The ideas not going to fly, sorry. We can't change the groups bylaws constantly for one persons whim.

Jaze, this issue has been batted around for only one day and the proposal has already been seconded and thirded. It only needs a fourth to move on to the next phase. There's plenty of time.

Plus, unless I misunderstood the bylaws, this isn't up to Joe.

I think Joe is over it...

There's a difference between being over it and fed up. Joe's reaction tells me I struck nerve. The fact that I don't agree with him is no (good) reason to get mad.

A couple of people seem to be very emotional on this topic and I really don't understand why. Some people seem averse to healthy debate and conflict.

Personally, I've yet to hear of a good reason why not to approve the proposal. The more, the merrier. No?

 

[Dave ESPI]

Personally, I've yet to hear of a good reason why not to approve the proposal.

I DO NOT SHOUT ! said you who likes to POUT !

 

[jallard]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8323405#post8323405 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ChrisBuono
Plus, unless I misunderstood the bylaws, this isn't up to Joe.

Correct....the next phase is up to the council members to decide if this even goes to a vote. And I am one of 5 council members.

I can't understand why there is a need to add members to our council, which is the governing body of CDMAS.

If people want to get involved with duties such as webmaster or newletter publisher, the council will deligate the jobs to a willing person.

Sooo I guess we should say the council will or should review your request and decide if it goes to a vote.

Stay tuned .........

 

[ChrisBuono]

Thank you Joe (I mean that).

I'd like to take this down a notch.

To be clear, I don't ask this to be confrontational...

Other than being responsible for the duties outlined in the bylaws for each council member, what role does a council member play? Stated another way, if someone is willing to put in as much time and effort maintaining the website as the Membership Chairperson does performing his/her membership duties, why doesn't that web-person deserve to be a council member?

 

[TA]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8323805#post8323805 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ChrisBuono
Stated another way, if someone is willing to put in as much time and effort maintaining the website as the Membership Chairperson does performing his/her membership duties, why doesn't that web-person deserve to be a council member?

Hey...I bet I can run the US Government equally as well as George Bush (if not better)! Don't I deserve to be President?

Hmmmm. Kinda makes you think though, don't it?


On a more serious note....

I've been to most meetings since May '05, seen what it was like to be a member of Capital Reefs ( ), know most current members, know who attends monthly meetings (and who doesn't!), and seen what the council has done for this club.....and although I'm usually a "side-lines" kinda guy, I'd like to personally thank the council for all that they have done for this club....and if you don't know, then you just havn't been around long enough.

THANKS guys. :beer:

Sincerely,
An Appreciative CDMAS Member

 

[vmiller]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8325936#post8325936 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TA
HI'd like to personally thank the council for all that they have done for this club....and if you don't know, then you just havn't been around long enough.

Even though most of your thanks should be directed to Joe and Matt, I thank you for your appreciation.

 

[TA]

Didn't want to single anyone out....but I know what goes on!

Thanks Vin....you're appreciated too. :thumbsup:

 

[ChrisBuono]

if you don't know, then you just havn't been around long enough

True enough and point taken.

But given that I was a potential council member for the upcoming election, I had the right to ask the question and deserved to know what I was getting into.

 

[TA]

Wasn't singling you out with that comment, ChrisB.

Rather, I admire your motivation and enthusiasm for the club! Like I said, I'm a side-liner.

But at the moment, I have to agree with jallard et. al.

 

[ChrisBuono]

Amend the Amendment

Amend the Amendment

This is my last post on this topic and then I'm backing off (I promise).

First, I mean/meant no disrespect to anyone. I'm afraid some took my ignorance as confrontation. For my part, I'm sorry. Believe me, it was ignorance.

Now, I amending my amendment proposal...

The reasoning being mainly to better align the council roles to the stated goals of the members. In addition to the social aspect of CDMAS, education was identified as an important goal and donations/discounts were identified as important as well.

Lastly, I believe that sharing the liaison duties (local vs. online) to be the best way to optimize our exposure and the benefits that come from that exposure. (This is not to say that anyone has done a bad job. Honestly, I haven't been around long enough to say one way or the other.)

Based on that, I propose we alter the bylaws to read:

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A. Council Member â€"œ Treasurer
B. Council Member â€"œ Secretary
C. Council Member â€"œ Local Vendor Relations
D. Council Member â€"œ Online Vendor Relations
E. Council Member â€"œ PR/Education Chairperson

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1. In addition to the duties stated, the Secretary will be responsible for maintaining the membership list, including email addresses, as well as determining the location of future general meetings.

2. The Local Vendor Relations Council Member will be responsible for liaison duties including the solicitation of advertising and donations and/or discounts to the Society from outside sources including local companies, local manufacturers, local stores, or individuals. The Chairperson will acknowledge and inventory all donations and prepare a list for CDMAS COUNCIL review.

3. The Online Vendor Relations Council Member will be responsible for liaison duties including solicitation of advertising and of donations and/or discounts to the Society from outside sources including non-local companies, manufacturers, or online stores. The Chairperson will acknowledge and inventory all donations and prepare a list for CDMAS COUNCIL review.

4. The PR/Education Chairperson will be responsible for managing communications to the local community, including the interaction with any non-vendor public entities including soliciting occassional presentations from marine aquarist experts as well as offering willing CDMAS resources to local schools and the like for appropriate marine projects.

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That's all for me. Please remember, it's just a proposal (one person's opinion). Like it or not, take it for what it's worth. You can criticize it to death, but please don't criticize me.

Thanks for listening.

 

[vmiller]

Here are a few of my thoughts on the changes proposed by Chris.


Dropping Event Chairman - I am OK with this because if we wish to remain an intimate group with a few special events, I don't think we really need a council member having 100% dedication to those few events. This resource can potentially be put to much better use elsewhere.

Splitting Online and Local Vendor Relations - I have mixed feelings about this because any person speaking to outside entities is representing the club as a whole and we certainly don't want that to go bad. It could get ugly having people solicit vendors in an unprofessional manner which is entirely possible. In my opinion, I think the less people doing this the better. (By splitting online and local vendors, we'd have 3 in addition to PR) It could become a lot of work for one person to deal with both online AND local vendors, but at the same time, I don't think that discounts, donations, and freebies should be SO important that we risk developing a poor reputation.

Education - I think this is by far the best thing the club can do to give back to the hobby and have a beneficial effect on nature. If anything, I think this role should be split from PR before the vendor roles should be split up. I sincerely hope that everyone would consider education a much more important pursuit than discounts and free frags.

So, if we are going to agree to make some changes to the lineup, I guess this would be what I'd prefer:

A. Council Member â€"œ Treasurer
B. Council Member â€"œ Secretary
C. Council Member â€"œ Online AND Local Vendor Relations
D. Council Member â€"œ PR
E. Council Member â€"œ Education Chairperson

Although I recognize PR as a very important role, I'm not entirely sure what the workload would be. Considering that, another option would be to combine PR with Secratary, or maybe even better, to combine PR with the local vendor role.

 

[vmiller]

The more I think about it, the more I like the following:

A. Council Member â€"œ Treasurer
B. Council Member â€"œ Secretary
C. Council Member â€"œ Online Vendor Relations
D. Council Member â€"œ PR AND Local Vendor Relations
E. Council Member â€"œ Education Chairperson

I think there is a lot of commonality between PR and Local Vendor Relations and I think it divides the work up better as well.

 

[jallard]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8326852#post8326852 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vmiller
The more I think about it, the more I like the following:

A. Council Member â€"œ Treasurer
B. Council Member â€"œ Secretary
C. Council Member â€"œ Online Vendor Relations
D. Council Member â€"œ PR AND Local Vendor Relations
E. Council Member â€"œ Education Chairperson

I think there is a lot of commonality between PR and Local Vendor Relations and I think it divides the work up better as well.

I guess the only thing that comes to my mind about this arrangement is that the job of Online Vendor Relations and Local Vendor Relations is not overly difficult. And I know...because I have aquired 95% of the donations this past year that if that was the only job one had, it is very managable. The reason I felt dropping webmaster from the council duties was because it was a more specialized skill and probably hard to fill come elections. That is why webmaster was swaped for PR/events.

 

[vmiller]

OK, then how about

A. Council Member â€"œ Treasurer
B. Council Member â€"œ Secretary
C. Council Member â€"œ Vendor Relations (all vendors)
D. Council Member â€"œ PR and Events
E. Council Member â€"œ Education Chairperson

If online vendor relations is not much work, then there should be no problem combining all vendor relations into one role. Right?

Unless PR is a lot of work itself, I think Joe's original of combination of PR and Events makes sense.

I still think Education should be on it's own given the potential it has and the amount of work it would consume if someone were to take it to it's potential.

Sorry for being all over the place here, I'm just trying to mediate a bit and get this to work for everyone.

 

[jallard]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8327329#post8327329 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vmiller
A. Council Member â€"œ Treasurer
B. Council Member â€"œ Secretary
C. Council Member â€"œ Vendor Relations (all vendors)
D. Council Member â€"œ PR and Events
E. Council Member â€"œ Education Chairperson

I think the greater reason to make the change of duties is to have the collective clubs interest represented. Adding the Council Member â€"œ Education Chairperson satisfies that need. If this is ok with everyone...then I propose we put the change to a vote along with some added language which will discribe the main duties of a council member....because as chris pointed out it's a bit vauge