And so it begins

Yes it really is an eye opener wondering how long the situation has been that way.

I am amazed at the amount of build up I have in this small tank even though I have no fish and I feed once a month (?).

I really believe that of the three areas of filtration, mechanical has been the one that I have always been the worst about regardless of the tank. The smaller the system, the more important this becomes in maintaining the system.

When I was a teenager I had a pair of oscars in a 55 with an UG filter and a canister in one of the lift tubes. When I did a WC I would just open up one of the other openings and drain the black water once every 2 weeks. It was kind of scary.
 
Thanks guys, I just realized my sandbed is over 15 years old as well, and am having the same problem as Ken. Is it time to remove and rinse the old sand or possibly replace?
 
Another focus point in the hobby has been stability promotes success (SPS). Though I agree with it to a point and different systems require different levels of it, we are really dealing with systems that fluctuate.

Disturbances anyone? Can you imagine as a hobbyist deliberately disturbing our hand-held systems by creating hurricanes, blasting everything to an inch of its life and damaging our reef in order to re-create the natural phenomena that are documented?

Perhaps that is why my tank was looking the way it was and it needed some abuse.

Hope everyone had a great holiday and enjoy your tank.

This is actually an interesting point. At MACNA there was a discussion between a speaker and a couple of members in the audience regarding the beneficial effects of periodically stirring up the tank and creating a disturbance. They posited that doing so would help feed many of the filter feeders and reduce the load of "junk" in the tank before it became an overwhelming problem. They noted a general improvement in the tank after a yearly or semi-yearly distrubance event.

I would agree that the SPS method is the best, but I don't think you can continue with it forever. The ocean is stable most of the time, but every once in a while there is a major disturbance that shakes things up. This may be beneficial in nature and in our closed systems.
 
Well John I guess your only option is to start heating up the cast iron skillet for bacon, making sure the keg is full and making sure you lift correctly.

What do you think you will do?


Jason:

That sounds very interesting. Do you remember anything else regarding the discussion? Honestly, even though it could be considered counterintuitive, a disturbance is a naturally occurring phenomenon in every ecosystem: forests with fire ecology, flooding in freshwater systems, and hurricanes in marine systems. Basically the disturbance is a kind of reset button if you will. If you never have a disturbance, the system will reach a climax and will continue to be stable until such time that a change can occurred. Again I am not against stability, I just think there is more to the equation than if keeping everything the same must equal long term success.

Ever have algae just magically appear one day?

The problem we have as hobbyists is that we are dealing with a time scale based upon years and even decades to play out yet we look at most things on the scale of months.
I have a show me your oldest tank thread and the number of tanks greater than 10 years isn’t very high.

Ever wonder why even though we basically have the same resources (information, equipment and livestock) there are varying degrees of success in the hobby? Ever have a tank that was spot on, almost bullet proof, but the next one or five fail? Why?
 
I have a show me your oldest tank thread and the number of tanks greater than 10 years isn't very high.

Ever wonder why even though we basically have the same resources (information, equipment and livestock) there are varying degrees of success in the hobby? Ever have a tank that was spot on, almost bullet proof, but the next one or five fail? Why?

I think your last sentence here and your first are heavily related and also reflect why there are so few 10+ year tanks. A poll of 10+ year hobbyists is more fair. I started with a 20g, went to a 60g, then a 75g, and have an empty 210 sitting in my living room waiting for my sump to come in. I have been using the same sand all along and will probably use the old sand plus more for the 210.

As for disasters helping out tanks I can tell you that power outages in winter do not help and kalk overdosing messes up birdsnests bad :)
 
I think your last sentence here and your first are heavily related and also reflect why there are so few 10+ year tanks. A poll of 10+ year hobbyists is more fair. I started with a 20g, went to a 60g, then a 75g, and have an empty 210 sitting in my living room waiting for my sump to come in. I have been using the same sand all along and will probably use the old sand plus more for the 210.

As for disasters helping out tanks I can tell you that power outages in winter do not help and kalk overdosing messes up birdsnests bad :)


:lmao: and I agree that a mega distaster (tv movie of the week anyone?) isn't good on any scale.


I just wanted to post in this thread. It's where all the cool people hang!!! :wave:

Well yeah like now it is the place to be and stuff.
 
For the first time since Labor Day in 2010 I had to leave the tank alone. I hooked up my ATO and it worked for four days without any issues.

Now the question is do I leave it on and worry about a possible mechanical failure or do I return to what has worked for the last 2 years?

Yeahz.
 
I love my ATO. I don't know if I could be in the hobby without one. I have found that if you clean the floats every six months there are no issues with failures. Just my experience.
 
Roger,
I agree and it does make things easier etc. for the long term. If one is running an internal skimmer then it is a must have piece of equipment.
 
Came home last night to silence. The gfci tripped and the tank was without power for 6 hours. The tank temperature was at 70 so I hope that isn't too much of a swing. I figure it shouldn't since shipping temperatures.
 
Falcao good to see you again and I hope things are going well for you.

Part 1:

I missed my December polyp count and to be honest I did not really care. With the holidays in full swing the tank was neglected even further and the tank fell even further into disarray. This decreased my interest and desire to care for the tank even more so and I was on the verge of quiting but I read something that sparked my interest once again. Thank you Brandon.


As Jules Winnfield said, my algae came back “with great vengance and furious anger”. Perhaps he wasn’t talking about my algae per se but…..

Right now I am experiencing the dreaded algae wars and I have decided to address them and see if I can win. If not then I am fine with that but at least I did not go gentle into that night.

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I suppose I could have kept my mouth shut, not posted about my issues, tried and solve things and act like everything was golden. I am sure there are some that do that in the hobby but I have always respected those that have issues, fix them and then help others in the process. I have been helped by many on RC and hopefully someone reading this will be helped as well. Maybe someone will never have to deal with it too.

If you have never had an issue with your tanks then congratulations! Either you have not been in the hobby long enough or you are in the 1% that has that blue thumb and everything is perfect. I am not trying to sound like a Mr. Know-It-All but that is a sad fact of the hobby. Sadly I do not fall into that 1% group and because I am the weakest link for my system I am responsible for the current condition of my tank. I figure if I got into this mess then I can get out of it as well.

Here are a few pictures of what is going on in my system (they aren’t pretty) but I hope that over time by system will look like the last picture once again.

Taken last night:

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This was taken in January 2012:

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Pretty big turn around and if I was looking at this from another's view point I would wonder what the heck is wrong with the reefer and why he or she allowed it to get to that state.

As I wrote earlier it is my fault pure and simple. In the last month I have ordered replacement RO/DI filters (my TDS was at 1 so not horrible but could be better), started a larger ATS in my aqua clear last week (cleaned it last night as well as removed all the rock and floor that wasn't attached to the glass and attacking the detritus once again), and have been looking into replacing my light at some point. I have wondered if my LED spectrum has shifted. No I don't have any evidence to the fact but it still makes me wonder how long LEDs really can last.

Again if something is going wrong with your system it is your fault so fix it, learn from it, and move onto the next issue. IF you can predict the next one that just makes it even easier.
 
Part 2:

If you managed to read through my last post I figured I would throw this into the mix as well. I wrote this back in October and just never got around to adding this.

Back to the reason for this post is there was an interesting topic started recently and it related to one of the foundations behind my current tank:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2224195

I hope that the discussion continues and helps everyone become a better hobbyist. This really should be a simple hobby but if you think about it, the difficulties are great and the complexity of these systems is vast. I don't mean the equipment obviously though it has helped us better replicate nature on some levels.

Around 1977, Sherwood stated that the physical environment shapes the biological community. This makes sense because simple statements get to the heart of the matter quicker and there are less arguments, I mean discussions of why that is incorrect. We as hobbyist adopt this philosophy without realizing it from the dimensions of our tank to how our rockwork looks before water ever hits the tank bottom. Also we look at our work, critique it and often change it hoping to get it "œright this time". Downsize? Upsize? Oh I need starfire glass for my sump bottom to succeed! Now things are perfect.

We like to look at our tanks and see them as a single holistic system. The smaller the system, such as nano-sized tanks it is easier to take that mind set but if you look at some of the larger systems (1000 gallons+ such as Peter's tank (if you haven't seen the videos of his tank go to youtube, type in Peter's tank and you will see what I mean)) then you will realize that this single system is actually made up of numerous microhabitats.

If asked the question, "œWhat makes a reef tank successful/drives it?" Two of those possible answers that most would include would probably be light and flow. I am sure there have been numerous threads started addressing this subject and many a beer has been drunk at a reef club meeting focusing on just that. We often state that as depth increases available light decreases but what about the horizontal plane? As far as flow, the more structure there is in the system, the "œless" flow is present but is it really "œless flow" or is it really more dispersed? The powerhead or return pump is still doing its job. Flow hits rock work, some water will flow through depending on structure but most will be deflect and be redirected in another direction. Random flow anyone? Dead pockets? Aren't we always in search of that sweet spot that is one of the secrets to being successful?

So far I probably haven't stated anything new. People break out their PAR meters, record values and place those numbers on our reef pictures. We humans like numbers because they are finite. I hate taking a survey that has statements like, "œsome of the time" or "œmost of the time". Fast growers anyone? Where is the break between these? Honestly those surveys are poorly designed. I am sure if someone stuck a flow meter in a tank and ran some numbers the discussion would be there as well. Honestly it would not be hard to do this and you could buy a flow meter on the cheap.

So what does that mean for the guy or gal who simply wants to enjoy the hobby and not over analyze things? If you are reading this then it is probably too late for you. With the subject on light, because these reefs are complex in their architecture and corals are stationary, there is a fine balance between light limitations and light stress and their effects on growth and reproduction (energy use). Therefore it would be logical that some zoa morphs have an advantage of wide light-habitat distribution patterns compared to others that have a reduced one. Could this be one of the issues that limit our ability to keep them long term? "œThey just started melting for no reason one day!" But, it is believed that corals can acclimate to these changes in less than a month and those low-light corals can live in high-light conditions and vice versa. It doesn't make much sense if an organism reproduces by physically breaking itself apart, allowing that part to drift away on the currents, and to hope it will find the identical physical habitat at the new location. The same can be stated for those that grow in mats and creep along the rock surface.

For us how many times have we seen zoas stay closed for a period of time, days to weeks, and what do we do? Often we freak out, look for disease or pests, check water parameters and if we don't see anything wrong, we then decide to move that frag to another section of our tank hoping to make it healthy and pretty once again. Because our tank has microhabitats we are just repeating the cycle though. Though these microhabitats are often on the meter/foot scale there are habitats that vary on the centimeter/inch one as well.

Ever been fishing and not getting a bite, move over and then find the honey hole?

I can look in my tank at the same color morph with multiple frags throughout and see differences in flow and light. Ever see one polyp stretching because another one is blocking the light? Ever have a polyp grow on the underside of the rock and stretch for the light? This goes back to the question I posted above on what drives a successful tank.

So what is the take home message in all this rambling? At this point I don't really know if there is one because I have more questions and thoughts now then I did when I started this and I was hoping that the reverse was true. However shouldn't there always be more questions than answers? Maybe I will just put those thoughts on the back burner for now, and enjoy my tank (as you should enjoy yours and not worry about that little growth of algae or how you will deal with a temperature change of 1 degree F because you have the heat on now). It is pretty ironic of my current situation with these last two posts huh?

My wife will probably ask me once again, "œWhy are you just looking at your tank? Nothing is going on in there." and I will simply answer, "œUm.".

(Actually she knows, she always knows, as do most wives, husbands, and significant others that battle for our attention at midnight by asking if we are coming to bed and our answer is, "œIn a minute I just have to move this frag over some to make the tank better." Later we look at our work, we will be pleased for now and we think to ourselves, that entire re-work effort took only three hours to complete this time. I must know what I am doing because this time it didn't take all night!)

For those that read this, thank you for your time and for those that skipped to the end I hope it brought a grin to your face. And as always, thanks for stopping by and please enjoy your tank.
 
Well I have won the battle but now have a new front to fight I believe.

Though it is hard to see the algae (underneath and visible after cleaning the rock with a toothbrush) in the above pictures it is all gone but now I am addressing what remains and unfortuantely my guess is dinos. It is strange that the two groups overlapped one another like they did and figured one would out compete the other for world domination.

I figured that by attacking the algae it would affect the dinos as well but it doesn't seem to be working out as planned.

I guess I will do some research on this task and deal with it.

Yeah team.
 
Hello my friend, was away for about a month but kept track of your thread. It is good to see that your spirits are still high in spite of your adversity.

I do agree with a lot of what you said, I thought I was longwinded....LOL, but wow, some very good stuff you posted. The algae has a way of rebounded so I am sure you will be keeping a keen eye on it. Keep up the good work man.

MUCHO REEF
 
Hello again and welcome back. I hope your travels were enjoyable and you plan on sticking around again.

Yes I am optimistic regarding my issues with this tank. It isn't like I am looking forward to them but having them is part of the hobby. If you have never had a problem you are either highly talented and have a blue thumb, extremely lucky, or just haven't been doing this long enough. Again it is how we react and address them that is important. If those that are considered experts and masters in the hobby have issues and crashes why can't I? Sadly sometimes effort and dedication isn't enough though and eventually we lose the war. Also because I decided this was going to be an experiment seeing what works and what doesn't, I have taken the "whatever happens will for a reason" approach. The tank is for enjoyment and too often the hobbyist forgets why he or she entered the hobby in the first place. If I catch myself in that position I will unplug everything, find someone to take what I have, and throw the rest into the back of my truck and haul it to the recycling center.

Obviously I wrote the last posts over the span of several days and it took a few months to put it together. I put it away to think on it and I bet if I went back and wrote it again it would be different. I suppose I write these posts for myself and anyone else who wishes to chew the fat because it is good to go back and see one's philosophy on various subjects and see if or how it has changed over time.

Tonight I will start my 3 days of lights out treatment hoping to win.

Two other good points:

He picked saltwater! Earlier this week, my wife surprised me by buying a standard 2.5 gallon aquarium because I guess 4 tanks aren't enough. When she came in, my 3 year old walked up, told her that was his tank, and walked off with it. This weekend I will get it up and running and am thinking about how to stock it. It will probably be a more traditional approach and will just let things roll over time.

Second, for the first time since November 2010 I went shopping and I bought two frags from a local reefer for $10 each. Each one was 50+ polyps so I feel like I got a pretty good deal.

I may do a build thread in the nano section because at this point I am leaning towards a mixed reef including zoas, rics and yumas (have always been interested in them) and maybe a sps or clam.

Again thanks for visiting and please enjoy your tank.

Sorry for being "long winded" but as W. C. Fields said, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them .....".


:D
 
Thanks.

Just keep in mind my friend just how many dedicated reefers young and old you are helping.

Yes, I am enjoying your journey and now you have even influenced your wife. You're definitely doing something right.:D

Bro, I was joking about being long winded", as I am guilty as well.:D Keep up the good work.


MUCHO REEFin
 
Thanks for the words and I hope it does help someone at some point.

I knew you were joking but my wife likes to use "wordy" instead.

It seems that the trend of short and to the point is the norm now.

At work a few years ago I applied for a grant and the question was explain in detail the purpose and mission of your company in one page.

Ok done.

Same grant and same question last week but please limit your answer to 100 characters.

(that had 86 if I counted correctly)
 
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