And we have Ocellaris Babies!!

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately i do not have Wilerson's book, so I am really flying blind right now. Is it necessary to use live rotifers? I purchased some refrigerated ones from my LFS on Saturday.

As far as all the reading that I have done, live rotifers are essential. The refrigerated ones.... are those live, but just stored in phyto and kept cold to slow them down?

I have heard that raising the rots is the hardest part, but I don't have trouble with the rots - only with the larvae! I ordered my rots from Reed Mariculture - you can also buy Rotifer diet (I think that's what it's called) so that you don't have to culture phytoplankton to feed your rotifers. I'm going to keep my phyto cultures, although I really liked using the rot diet. For me, shipping costs too much to send something perishable like that to Alaska on a regular basis.

I don't know if you've ever seen this link, but it gives great info with pics as someone raises black ocellaris fry.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1333809&highlight=black+ocellaris+pair+spawning

I've been told that it's good to wait until the 6th or so spawn before trying to raise the babies - However, for me, this is my fourth try of 5 spawns; even though the others were unsuccessful, I feel like I learned something from each one, and kind of got a feel for how to do things. SO I guess if you have time, try, but don't have high expectations :)

People on this forum have been very helpful, so post your questions when you have them!
 
I can't see why removing the heater would be a problem. You only need to take it out for a minute or two. Just be sure to unplug it first. Then as soon as it comes out, take off all the old electrical tape. clean the glass tube carefully with rubbing alcohol and paper towels. rinse with fresh water, dry thouroughly, then apply the electrical tape. I usually go around the heater about four full revolutions. put it back in and plug it in.

Don't worry about the rubbing alcohol contaminating your tank. As long as you have rinsed and dried all the areas you touched with it completely, there won't be any harmful residue. I have done this many times. Cleaning and drying the tube seems to make all the difference. tape sticks good now.

i don't understand the taping of the heater.why do you tape it for?
 
i don't understand the taping of the heater.why do you tape it for?

To cover the heater's indicator light - The fry are attracted to light, but the heater will fry the fry. Also, placing your airline tubing or airstone underneath the heater will help dissipate the heat into the tank, and hopefully discourage the babies from hanging out by the heater and frying themselves.
 
my clowns also just spawned for the first and i do not have wilkersons book...but this helps thanks alaska good luck with the fry!
 
my clowns also just spawned for the first and i do not have wilkersons book...but this helps thanks alaska good luck with the fry!

Thank you! The book is a great reference (but I love books). I think a person could raise fry just from studying some of the threads, and through internet research. Just google "how to raise clownfish fry" and several sites will come up that give free information.
 
There's a few things I would comment on. keep in mind these are just opinions, I'm not trying to tell you what to do. Sometimes my posts come across like that, but I don't mean for them to.

I don't ever use bbs. I've raised thousands of clowns, and never even hatched a single brine shrimp. I use rots, then start to wean onto oto A around day 5. By day 7 I'm strictly using oto. If I've got a good culture of pods, I will throw some in around day 10, but IDK if it really helps.

I would buy the algae paste from Reeds. It's not as perishable as you might think. If you purchase 1 liter, you can freeze it into cubes very easily. There are some tricks to help make this process easy and effective. Once frozen into cubes, with a little care, this stuff will last for a very long time. phyto cultures are just a huge pain, and I personally don't think that most hobbyists can beat the quality of reed's pastes in a home culture.

I have Joyce's book, and have read it several times. It is very informative, but I don't think it is up to date with the state of home breeders today. I would suggest the complete illustrated breeder's guide to marine aquarium fishes by Matthew Wittenrich. It is geared more towards small scale commercial production, and includes information on a variety of species, rather than just clowns, but it is the best I've found.

Looking at the pic of your breeding room, I can see a few things that might well be contributing to your difficulties. I can't tell which container/tank your fry are in, but from what I can see, it looks like they may be in a very small one. I'd use the largest tank/tub you can deal with as the increased volume helps to mitigate issues with pollution. You can't do this if you don't have enough rots though, and you definatley need to keep the water tinted green with your phyto either way. The idea being the rots that are feeding your fry stay fed and nutrishous at the same time. Very important as poorly fed rots aren't good. You can tell your rots health easily with a simple 20X jewlers loupe. you can pick one up on-line for less than $10. scoop some up in a glass vial, and look at them through the loupe. If they are pale, they are underfed. They should have a nice almost hunter green color, and be very active.

The other thing I see is how much light is present in that room. your fry are very sensitive to light, and it can cause all kinds of problems. they don't need much light. They will actually suffer...especially pre meta... from too much. Tinting the water green will help with this as well, but a simple overhead light four feet above the tank is more than enough. Too much light seems to have devestating affects on my fry. And I know a lot of people might dis-agree with me, but it is my belief that my fry will hunt and eat even at night. I base this on the rot density changes I note from lights out to lights on.

If you can, post as much information as possible about what you are doing. Tanks sizes, light cycles, equipment, everything you can think of. This will allow the people in this forum to really help you out.
 
Thank you so much, duncaholic!!

First of all, time to buy a new book :bounce3:

The fry tank is a 5 gallon bow front that I bought cheap from Craigslist. I probably only have 4 gallons of water in it. I'm using two rigid airline tubes to aerate the water, and I have those near the heater which is at one end of the tank.

After having 50 make it this far, I agree that the 5 gallons may be too small. I have a couple 10 gallon tanks that I'm using to hold some leather frags and various soft corals- I can clear those out for next time. I'm pretty sure that I'll be able to get the rot density up, so that I'd be able to keep a larger tank fed.

As for lighting, I've got a Coralife 50/50 mini cfl bulb - I think it's 10 watts (so 50 watt equivalent). I have it propped up above the tank a couple of feet. The other light in the room is just a regular light bulb (probably 60 watts) about 4 feet up and off to the side. Also, there's ambient light from the phyto cultures up on top. I think my first couple of batches I had too much light; my last one I used mostly just the room light, and I was afraid it might not have been enough. What do you think... turn off the aquarium light and just use regular room light?

Well, I think my Ammonia badge wasn't working properly or I didn't read it properly yesterday..... I'm kind of in a pickle. The ammonia was at 2.0. I used ammonia neutralizer X3 and got the ammonia down to .5 ppm, and the ph is at 7.8. Nitrite is .25.

So I was ready to do a water change, but my change water is at 8.2 PH, so in my limited understanding, changing the water would raise the PH and make the ammonia more toxic.

Is there any current advice as to what to do in such a situation? In Joyce Wilkerson's book the advice, at least for Ocellaris, is to leave the water and count on the ammonia neutralizer until after meta.

I was going to drip in more fresh water to account for evap, but now I'm wondering if I should do that because of the nitrite?

I think up until today, I've had healthy, well-fed rots. I'm pretty sure the fry didn't touch any Otohime because I can't see orange stomachs. But they're hunting. Maybe tomorrow.

Thank you for all the help! I greatly appreciate you pointing out flaws so I can try to fix them!!
 
Oh and while I'm at it, expressing what I'm worried about... Using the amquel like that (that is, 3 times the recommended dose), does it affect the oxygen in the water? I tried to increase the air, but I can only go a bubble or two per second from each airline before the fry get wafted around- it seems like they'd have a hard time eating that way.
 
I can definitely see that using algae paste is better! Part of my trouble with the phyto is knowing when it's done. So tonight I need to tint the water. But, how do I tell if the fertilizer is used up and the algae is as dense as it ought to be? Or maybe that's not a worry.
 
Sorry, nuccadoc for the outdated info. I ordered Wittenrich's book and it can't come soon enough! I told my hubby that it was a must-have book, and he let me buy it :)

There's still rots in the tank, and I'm feeding Otohime A. I'm not sure how to tell if they're eating it - I would assume I'd be able to see orange bellies, but I don't think I can yet. I'm assuming the stuff sinks... I just can't really tell what's happening when I sprinkle it in.

The fry don't look fat enough to me, but then, I don't have any experience to judge from.

I'm adding amquel, and I decided that I'm going to keep the salinity low and trust the amquel to do its job with the ammonia and nitrite per the info on rkelman's thread, until someone advises me otherwise. I'll plan to do my 1st PWC after metamorphosis..... if we get that far.

It will be nothing short of miraculous if I have any survive - but then, perhaps every hatch is that way!
 
Duncaholic thanks for the information, looks like i need to buy another book. On the Reed's Algae paste, which one are you recommending? I'm looking at this page....


http://www.reedmariculture.com/product_rotigrow.html

rotigrow plus is my favorite, but you should get the rotifloss?? I think it's called, or at least hang some regular floss in the bucket as the rotigrow plus does leave a bit of an oil slick on the surface, and also just seems to leave more sludge on the bottom.
 
Ammonia and nitrite are each at .25

My real concern for you is the nitrites. Ammonia is bad, but clowns and their fry are fairly tolerant of ammonia. Nitrites, however, are deadly. Amquel is good. Chloram-x is better, but if you are showing measurable nitrites, then I would consider a water change. Problem is, water changes at this stage can be catasrophic for fry. They are difficult and time consuming. The way I see it is you have several choices. 1. Continued dosing and a very slow and methodical water change. Nothing more than a drip per second going in, and about the same coming out. 2. dose amquel heavily until meta and hope for the best. 3. Take a small piece of LR out of your display and place it in your fry tank right near the bubbles. A lot of people won't agree with this idea, but it has worked for me in the past. Even a golfball sized piece will have a good impact. This with continued dosing should do well.

Here's the rub... What you've got right now is a tank that's cycling...and cycling hard. When it comes to fry, the best we can do is try to mitigate the severity of any cycle that may take place. I think you pulled the tile early??? Not sure, but either way I'm pretty sure you used parent tank water. This introduces a significant amount of nitrifying bacteria into your fry tank as would the tile, if left in the fry tank for an extended period of time. Not a bad thing necessarily, but it will kick off a cycle. Depending on how much bacteria, and how much waste is present (algae paste should help in this area as well) it can cause a large nitrite spike and cause total collpase of the system. dosing will help but if possible, be ready with a well seasoned sponge filter. I've added a sponge filter as early as day 5, but I've never really been able to give it enough air to work well until around day 7. You will most likely need to do small but frequent water changes much earlier than you might think. All depends on the chemistry. I don't trust amonia alert badges...been burned before...traditional testing is annoying, but much more reliable IMO.

The strange thing is that I've actually had better success using newly mixed salt water instead of parent tank water, and although it always causes higher ammonia levels, I can usually get to day 7 without any substantial nitrite spike. Ammonia toxicity is an issue when you raise PH, but if you vaccum the bottom of your tank every day, and do very small, frequent water changes with NSW, you probably won't have as bad an issue with the PH. Either way, a large amount of ammonia is an irritant which can eventually become life threating while nitrites are straight up poison.

If it were me...I'd throw a chunck of LR in there, do a small water change like maybe 2 quarts, dose with amquel, put an airstone on the end of the rigid tubing, crank up the air volume just a smidge, and monitor the temp. 78F is not bad, and I always get myself into trouble when I try to monkey around with heaters. Probably because I tend to buy cheap ones, but even the name brand ones I have seem to be very touchy.

Most importantly, don't stress out. Now that your clowns are laying, you are going to have more chances than you will ever need. Within the next few hatches, everything will fall into place, and you will find yourself inundated with baby clowns. 200 - 300 ever 11 days or so.

My 2 cents anyway. I love hearing about your babies!! takes me back.

oh and as far as lighting. I would just use the overhead light. Breeding clowns is more of an art than a science, at least at the home breeder scale, but I feel confident in this one piece of advice.
 
Duncaholic, thank you so much for taking the time to write out your advice for my situation! It was a tremendous help last night.

Immediately I carefully and slowly vacuumed out 1 quart of water, and started a very slow drip of NSW I had made up 24 hrs previous (didn't have a chance to go out to get parent tank water anyhow).

I put in a piece of LR- hopefully copepods and amphipods don't feast on clown fry :) As I put the rock in, a huge amphipod swam away from the rock - it startled me! It hung out by the thermometer for a minute, and then must have found the rock again. Wish I had good camera skills because that would have made quite the picture!

I attached an airstone to one of the rigid tubes and turned up the air a smidge.

I also checked the params, and had no nitrite, and .25 ammonia. Those two readings are the same this morning.

Also I've only had on the room light since your suggestion - I did give them "lights out" last night.

I didn't expect any to be alive this morning, simply because they didn't look right to me last night, but actually, none have perished since last night.

I'm feeding them Otohime a little at a time every couple of hours or so - I can't tell yet if they're eating it.

Thank you again!
 
What does it mean when they float at the top, and turn on their side? Seems like they float, and then right themselves and swim again. I'm sure it's an ominous sign, but I'm wondering if it's possible to detect the cause? As far as I've been able to tell, there's no surface oils to cause entrapment that way.
My readings are still no nitrite and .25 ammonia.
PH is 7.4
I'm still adding rotifers.
Also I cleaned the tank bottom real well and dripped in another quart of NSW and a little phyto last night.
 
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