Anemones NOT advised for novices...seriously

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Having clowns does not mean you have to rush and find a nem. They'll live in soft corals, snuggle up to temperature probes, etc.

Why not an anemone? Because most novices WILL make a mistake with water quality sooner or later. If you ARE a novice and can guarantee your tank never, ever budges from 1.025 salinity, never leaves 7.9 to 8.3 alkalinity, has no powerheads, has lighting adequate at least for soft corals, has regular 10% water changes, and has adequate circulation that never falters---if you also have gotten beyond the stage of intervening with hands in your tank for tiny adjustments...you MIGHT be ready for a nem, IF you have researched the species of nem your species of clown wants.

And THEN be willing to cope with mating clowns, who are not sweet: I worked with a piranha for years and never got bit. My mated clowns bit my arm bloody every time I did (for good reason) have to intervene in my tank.

Also check out the adult size of your nem species: some top two feet.

What can go wrong if a nem goes wrong? First it can move about---some puff up and sail with the speed of the current---stinging other specimens. Some (magnificas) eat other fish. Some just grow huge. Some get sick and die. Or get injured when a novice owner thinks he can move them from where they've decided to be. Second, when a nem dies, it is hard to describe the smell that pervades your tank, clings to your hands, and so afflicts your nose that you will smell it even when you leave the premises, and imagine you smell it for days. It also turns to jelly, strings out all over, and spreads its still-active nematocysts (stinging cells) far and wide through your tank. [Carbon, successive 1 micron filter socks, and water changes, massive water changes, if this happens to you.]

I know they're beautiful, and the clownfish/nem relationship is fascinating and probably one of the images that got you into the hobby, but just consider where you are in the hobby at the moment, whether you EVER make the kind of mistake that can send a nem downhill, whether your system is ready, and whether you are ready.

They're a wonderful critter, but do your tank preparation and do your research---and practice, practice, practice testing and tank-keeping until you're sure you're ready to take on a flighty, sting-prone, self-willed critter that will not go where you plan and that will suicide into powerheads that your tank needs for circulation. They are NOT a cinch to deal with, and will not oblige your notion of where they should be.

Accepting all that, and being ready, [there is no magical number of months of tank age---it's far more the experience/skill/patience of the hobbyist] go, enjoy, and may it live long and prosper. But be ready!
 
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I totally agree but I would not single out magnifica's as being fish killers as they all can be, and actually if I put one above the list known for this it would be hadonni over any other host nems.
I would also like to emphasize that a an anemone death can totally nuke your tank.
 
Thank you for that heads up. I have thought many a day, "when will I be ready for a nem". There are certainly a number of things to think about prior to making that jump.
 
I have a 40B, I sometimes top off with 5 gallons of RO water at a time, I've never tested alkalinity, I haven't done a water change in years, and my powerheads pull in algae, making the flow inconsistent all of the time. All that being said, my LTA is the oldest creature in my tank (somewhere around 9 years).

But listen to the advice given, I've probably been extremely lucky!
 
Probably your tank is stable at a pretty good reading. I post what I posted having also lucked out with a carpet nem as a total novice, in a 100 gallon tank with a 70 gallon sump. The thing grew to two feet in width, took half the tank, and came a time when I found a happy home for it AND my two clowns, (had to transport that nem in a bucket) who were terrorizing every other fish, including a blue velvet damsel bigger than they were---and if you know damsels, you know that the blue velvet is one of the most aggro with everything. The fact that I got out without my tank going down is, well, a source of gratitude to my lucky stars.
 
I agree, they can be a little more work and care than a lot of people realize. Clownfish are perfectly fine by themselves too. Mine has a mushroom he loves.

This kinda reminds me of a LFS near me that gets sea apples in off and on. People will want to buy it for their tank without even knowing much about it, just based on it looking cool.
 
Sea apples are tank-nuking hazardous for most anybody. Any large fleshy invert, especially with toxins (poisons) involved is a serious no-go.
 
My first purchase of salty creatures some 30 years ago were a pair of maroons and a bleached out crispa, dumb luck and dirty water is all I can attribute to their survival, that and a pair of clowns that fed and took care of their nem.

Today we have so much better gear and access to info on the proper way to achieve success in keeping them, much better than relying on dumb luck!

I strongly suggest reading for a while in the nem/clown forum while waiting for your tank to mature to make sure you make a smart choice for when you are ready, they are all so different and have different needs, and a good idea to match your clowns to an anemone species as they would be found in the wild, this helps in achieving having clowns quickly accept their host and resolves the problems people have w/ their clowns simply ignoring the anemone.
 
Sea apples are tank-nuking hazardous for most anybody. Any large fleshy invert, especially with toxins (poisons) involved is a serious no-go.


Exactly. I still haven't understood why the guy orders them in to begin with.
 
I have never read that for an anemone Alk had to be between the numbers you posted. i keep my Alk at 10dkh and my BTA is thriving
 
I have never read that for an anemone Alk had to be between the numbers you posted. i keep my Alk at 10dkh and my BTA is thriving

There's a reason for BTA's being by far the most common, they are extremely forgiving as tank params go, unfortunately they are also know for being wanderers, it's a bit of trade off usually, easy to keep, not easy to keep in one spot.
 
A 10 is fine for alk. I recommend 8.3 as a good middle of the road in the range that is easy for beginners to maintain with a balanced mg/calcium, and 7.9 as a floor beneath which even fish don't want to go. No fuss with 10 at all, if that's where your tank is comfy. Some working for coral growth do keep it in the 9's.
 
A 10 is fine for alk. I recommend 8.3 as a good middle of the road in the range that is easy for beginners to maintain with a balanced mg/calcium, and 7.9 as a floor beneath which even fish don't want to go. No fuss with 10 at all, if that's where your tank is comfy. Some working for coral growth do keep it in the 9's.


I've personally never experienced issues running below 8. Mine stays between 7-8 all the time.
 
Sea apples are tank-nuking hazardous for most anybody. Any large fleshy invert, especially with toxins (poisons) involved is a serious no-go.

That's actually a misnomer IME. I went through a lot of apples back in the day trying figure out how to keep them and none ever cuke nuked my tank. Not that they can't.

But "tank-nuking hazards" in my opinion is an ill deserved reputation.

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2003/3/inverts

They absolutely can though. I just don't think it's a common as one would think.
 
My absolute best advice to a nem owner is to leave them alone. If you are lucky, they will plant their foot exactly where you want them and will stay there. nem's go on walk abouts all the time, don't try and move them forcefully, they can get stressed, tear a foot, split etc. If they are getting themselves into a dangerous place with a powerhead, move the powerhead before you try and move the nem.

It's kind of like raising a toddler, you can tell them to do whatever you want, but at the end of the day, the green cup you gave them is not the green cup they wanted. :sad2:
 
I'm a novice for sure and yes I made the mistake of getting a RBTA. When you see a terrific deal on CL it's very hard to resist! On top of that, my tank is only 5 gallons. It's been 7 months since that buy and it's still living so that's awesome. But the poor thing is terribly unhappy. It's splitting all the time. From 1 RTBA, I've got now 6 of them. I do massive WC once a week so that's probably not helping. I had to setup a 20L just for the others. I love them though! I have other issues with my 5 gallon tank ATM which is not helping.
 
Having clowns does not mean you have to rush and find a nem. They'll live in soft corals, snuggle up to temperature probes, etc.

Why not an anemone? Because most novices WILL make a mistake with water quality sooner or later. If you ARE a novice and can guarantee your tank never, ever budges from 1.025 salinity, never leaves 7.9 to 8.3 alkalinity, has no powerheads, has lighting adequate at least for soft corals, has regular 10% water changes, and has adequate circulation that never falters---if you also have gotten beyond the stage of intervening with hands in your tank for tiny adjustments...you MIGHT be ready for a nem, IF you have researched the species of nem your species of clown wants.

And THEN be willing to cope with mating clowns, who are not sweet: I worked with a piranha for years and never got bit. My mated clowns bit my arm bloody every time I did (for good reason) have to intervene in my tank.

Also check out the adult size of your nem species: some top two feet.

What can go wrong if a nem goes wrong? First it can move about---some puff up and sail with the speed of the current---stinging other specimens. Some (magnificas) eat other fish. Some just grow huge. Some get sick and die. Or get injured when a novice owner thinks he can move them from where they've decided to be. Second, when a nem dies, it is hard to describe the smell that pervades your tank, clings to your hands, and so afflicts your nose that you will smell it even when you leave the premises, and imagine you smell it for days. It also turns to jelly, strings out all over, and spreads its still-active nematocysts (stinging cells) far and wide through your tank. [Carbon, successive 1 micron filter socks, and water changes, massive water changes, if this happens to you.]

I know they're beautiful, and the clownfish/nem relationship is fascinating and probably one of the images that got you into the hobby, but just consider where you are in the hobby at the moment, whether you EVER make the kind of mistake that can send a nem downhill, whether your system is ready, and whether you are ready.

They're a wonderful critter, but do your tank preparation and do your research---and practice, practice, practice testing and tank-keeping until you're sure you're ready to take on a flighty, sting-prone, self-willed critter that will not go where you plan and that will suicide into powerheads that your tank needs for circulation. They are NOT a cinch to deal with, and will not oblige your notion of where they should be.

Accepting all that, and being ready, [there is no magical number of months of tank age---it's far more the experience/skill/patience of the hobbyist] go, enjoy, and may it live long and prosper. But be ready!
Sticky Please
 
Here's a pic of my nem tank.



Note that the tank is over ten years old and is being replaced at this time, but, IMHO, until your tank has been stable for over six months, don't even look at one. If you plan on having one, know you may have my luck and end up with many. Some people feed them. This really isn't necessary as given the proper lighting, they will thrive. None of mine were ever directly feed. Halides were used and the light was all that was needed. I do recommend using a species tank if doing bta's. They can be very prolific given the right conditions. At some point, space will require one to find a spot. It will wipe out most anything it walks across.
 
Anemones NOT advised for novices...seriously

Proof that clowns are not smart. BTA in foreground but they like the leather.
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Just goes to show you, you don't need a nem. And even if you get one the clowns may like something else anyway

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