Angelfish reef safe? & show me pic of your angel too!

[KDodds]

Oops, forgot all about species. Scribbled here, but up until I moved and lost my Centropyge, I had an African Flameback, a Nox, and a Coral Beauty. The AFB was in for about 4 years, the Nox about 3, and the CB was a replacement for another CB killed by my Niger (which was removed). The first CB (the one that was killed) was in for about 2 years, and the second for about the same time. All 3 died in a holding vat when the heater stuck on and spiked the vat to 90Ã"šÃ‚ºF+.

 

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MY is reef safe.


Today

Two years a go.

 

[NYPD Frogman]

MY is reef safe.

That is beautiful!!!!

 

[KDodds]

Gotta love a healthy Imperator. Unless you're my wife, then it's your least favorite and you prefer the pitbull-looking Chaetodontoplus septentrionalis. How long have you had it Steve? Get it as a juvie or adult?

 

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Gotta love a healthy Imperator. Unless you're my wife, then it's your least favorite and you prefer the pitbull-looking Chaetodontoplus septentrionalis. How long have you had it Steve? Get it as a juvie or adult?

Sorry , I post the old picture.

 

[AJ69]

Great Pic BTW I have a flame and a Pigmy with no problem.

 

[KDodds]

:thumbsup: Steve... sweet fish.

 

[revclyburn]

I myself have found out personally that Pygmy Angels are ok in a reef tank. I've had Cherubs, Imperator, Potter's, Coral Beauty's, Flame, and Flamebacks, some in the same tank at the same time. And currently have a 1/2 black, in my 90 reef. I've have Leathers, Mushrooms, Zoos, GSP's in the same tank with them and never had a problem with any of them. I really think it depends on the fish it self. We need to remember these fish come from all over the world, and there eating habits are a part of their environments. We can't expect a fish to be anything other than what it is. I've learned that if you're feeding your fish right, and keeping them on what they like to eat, like live brine shrimp, they tend to leave other things alone. If someday my Pygmy's go nuts and start eating what little corals I have. Oh well, that's the way it is, and will probably try to find something they won't eat. So get one and see, may turn out to be your best fish ever. PYGMY'S RULE! LOL

RevClyburn

 

[new2u]

I've always thought of my coral beauty as reef safe. I actually about a year ago when I was shopping for angel fish went to many many fish stores before I found my beauty (who BTW is really hard to photograph so this is the best pic I've got)

She is so incredibly active, which is rare for the coral beauty. I voted yes, although I've seen her take a nip or two at my open brain, but no damage *knock on wood* I'd suggest coral beauty!

 

[Pandora]

This topic comes up like every other day. The answer as always is "depends"... every individual is different, not just every species alone.

My flame:

 

[jwedehase]

I have a hybrid half-black/lemonpeel. It's a really pretty fish, and the mature ones are even prettier. Unfortunately, he's a serious pecker (haha). He really likes nipping at SPS. And he cleaned the tank of all reachable sponge within two weeks, though I didn't have a problem with that. I haven't seen SPS polyp extension in months.

While he's the prettiest fish in my tank, I'd rather have the coral. I've been trying to figure out how to get rid of him without removing any rock work.

He's free to anyone who can do it. I'm in central CA.

 

[boyohboy2]

KDodds: you have a point about 'misconception' being passed along. So you see, it's a good thing ppl (me) ask the same age old question again to gather some more new opinion, rather than just searching for old stuffs heh

So far the poll is almost 50/50.... but funny tho ppl who posted are more toward angel being reefsafe

I'm quite firm on getting an angel now I'd say. Deciding either a Flame or a CoralBeauty. The Flame looks better, on picture at least, but kinda wondering if it'll be too much like a percula clown, in terms of color. The CoralBeauty doesn't seem to look as sharp on pictures, but could be just due to the dark blue color being hard to capture by digital camera?! I think I need to see it in person to decide..... IF I can find any around...

 

[floridareefs]

crapo---i want one of those imperaor anger--shhheeeesweet. i have alot of zoos and lether though. I wonder----but im one to test it out anyhow. i dont play is safe.hehehehehe

 

[Mariner]

Well, after a good bit of research on this myself, I went with the Flameback/Fireball in my 40g. I was talking with an LFS last Saturday who does a lot of high-end tank set-up and maintenance. He said that the Flameback is the only one he really trusts with LPS, and that he has one in most all of his tanks.
Here's a pic of mine in my SPS tank . Been there for two or three months -- no problems.

Mariner

 

[KDodds]

Have to agree on the "Argi" complex of Centropyge, which includes the Cherub, both Flamebacks, and the extravagantly expensive Resplendent, on being the "most reef safe". It's extremely rare to hear of individuals of these species bothering corals. Unfortunately, they're probably the most belligerent of the Dwarves as well. Coral Beauties are pretty much right up there with the "Argi" complex. Flames are slightly more risky.

Probably the worst offenders, or the species with the most offending specimens, are the Eiblii, Vroliki, and Lemonpeel.

 

[Gary Majchrzak]

Re: Re: Angelfish reef safe? & show me pic of your angel too!

Re: Re: Angelfish reef safe? & show me pic of your angel too!

'Angelfish in reef aquariums' will likely be a popular topic forever. Whether or not an Angelfish bothers any of your inverts really depends on the individual fish, the size of your aquarium and what inverts are in the aquarium....

This is a great example of my previous post. I'd be very careful about making generalizations about Angelfish. Even some people that have introduced planktivorous Genicanthus Angels have witnessed their supposed "reef safe" fish attack certain corals.
I had an African Flameback for several years that pestered all my softies (in some cases) to death. It didn't bother SPS, though.
I had a Chaetodon mesoleucus in my aquarium at one point and it went straight to my large home grown table Acropora and started nipping off polyps. It also destroyed a very large red Scolymia. It never bothered my other LPS, though.
I now have a Majestic Angelfish in my aquarium. I would have thought this species to be more destructive than the aforementioned, but it's been the best behaved by far. I've yet to see any questionable nipping from the fish.
I was fortunate enough to get my navarchus fom someone tearing down a reef aquarium, so the nature of the fish's taste buds were known well in advance. (I like the odds stacked in my favor when gambling with Angelfish and inverts.)

 

[KDodds]

Good point Gary, no matter how much success people have with how many specimens of how many species, there's a definite risk. But that risk is not limited to Angels, either. Tangs, Triggers, Damsels, and, heck, even Clowns can be risky, and some moreso than the Angels. No one should be running out to by Angels on a whim, even in the face of their questionable "not reef safe" status, not at all. If you do it wrong, you definitely have to get lucky, but if you do it right, most of the time, luck is more with you than against you, IMO. So yes, I fully agree with your quoted statement, and would say that MOST people should heed it's warning but not eliminate a wonderful family of fishes, either.

 

[MrPike]

Here is my so far reefsafe potters

 

[floridareefs]

No angel is reef safe, but I agree with the later. just have fun with the hobby and take some chances. thats the only way you can get the fullest enjoyment for the amount of jack you spend on it..imho

 

[KDodds]

No angel is reef safe,

Upon what do you base this assessment?