Another Centropyge love story from two oceans (including one unique tank bred angel!)
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gasman059
The OG mad scientist
LOL John born and raised there. BTW El Colegio is my "alma mater".
Did manage to graduate with a biology major!
Became a dif kind of doc-anesthesiology=gasman
Anyways I'm happy to know the island is still carrying on some research.
Still have a place down there-when and if u do travel there I still have tons of my buddies that can certainly help u out.
Did manage to graduate with a biology major!
Became a dif kind of doc-anesthesiology=gasman
Anyways I'm happy to know the island is still carrying on some research.
Still have a place down there-when and if u do travel there I still have tons of my buddies that can certainly help u out.
tanglovers
New member
As always, awesome news! Always look forward to seeing new posts from you John!
Chad Vossen
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love the information. i just read an article in a magazine about the hybrid angel being found. absolutely loved reading about how he found it.
your fish collection is stunning as usual.
your fish collection is stunning as usual.
You should start an angelfish thread with all your different kinds. Its hard to keep track with all these different threads. I am simply amazed everytime you post. I know its gonna be good and its always some super rare fish or some crazy angelfish related topic. Great stuff.
So if I understood you correctly you lost the smallest joc. and Still have the larger one (without the eye) and the other?
So if I understood you correctly you lost the smallest joc. and Still have the larger one (without the eye) and the other?
copps
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11722526#post11722526 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Maximus
How did I miss this thread? Does your "mystery" pair start with the letter "D"?
Hey Sang... you hit the nail on the head... Centropyge debelius... a pair of them... I received them a few weeks ago and they were both dead within six hours. They were packed great... pH fine... temp fine... but something happened along the way that took them out nearly, and they didn't recover. I saw the pair last when I was in Hawaii in October at Frank's place. I prepared a system for them and everything. The money was nothing, as Frank made good on it of course, but what a heartbreak. Words cannot explain it. To put it simply, it sucked. However, I've learned not to worry about things that are out of my control, in real life and in reefkeeping life. To even have the opportunity to own a fish like this was a dream come true, and it will be a long time before that opportunity arises again. Oh well... que sera sera... Here are pics of the male on his deathbed... God bless them...
And postmortem...
A small shot from Frank's website of this pair... two of the eleven he produced in captivity. The number of wild individuals that enter the trade each year can be counted on one hand... or none... It's depth, rarity (not even common at depth), and isolation (gem tang land, but deep) make this a rarity among rarities... I'll have larger shots in my presentation...
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11728254#post11728254 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by armagedon48
love the information. i just read an article in a magazine about the hybrid angel being found. absolutely loved reading about how he found it.
your fish collection is stunning as usual.
Yeah that article was written by Bill... in addition to the photos taken on the previous page... Frank snapped this one of Bill and I... It's amazing he makes a living catching fish without a mask on...
It's funny how many people didn't realize the significance of his find... he turned to the collector he was collecting with when he got the fish... he was stoked... describing that he thinks it's a hybrid... and the other collector turns to him and says... "Hmm... cool... hey but check out the size of this Potter's!" I laughed when I heard that... 
Thanks very much bud! I'm 30 now and since I was a child I've had this innate passion for the all things water... I grew up on an island on a lake, and fished and "barefooted" in the summer, while playing ice hockey and snow skiing in the winter. Fish and hockey have always been my two passions. It's such a pleasure to have an audience interested in what I have to contribute on these topics, because as I always say... "God knows my wife doesn't want to hear it!" Our two year old is learning latin names now though... and #2 is on the way due in August!
One large thread would be too much of an undertaking... I do speak for clubs on the subject of rare angels, and am speaking at this year's IMAC in Chicago (International Marine Aquarium Conference). The problem I'm having is that as my experiences and stories are growing, the presentation needs to remain only an hour... 
.In regards to the jocs, that's correct. A month ago or so I placed the remaining two wild jocs (including one eye), in my large display with the large captive raised joc, and all is well. The loss of the small one was my fault. These guys were so tiny I placed them together in a 20 long to grow them out... They've grown like roots, and unfortunately while I was away on business old one eye got very aggressive, and the smallest could not be saved. I also placed the Centropyge colini pair I have (the wild pair from Fiji that Frank spawned) in my large display to make room for the debelius pair in another system... Centropyge colini is such a unique species really... and I've fallen for these guys hard... such an underappreciated species...
Thanks again to all...
Copps
Tremelle
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John,
May I suggest a pictoral documentation of the angels you have in one thread. It would not require much typing; just a latin name, common name, and picture. Maybe even include full tanks shots of the different tanks the angels are in. Your collection has become inspiration for my own fish keeping.
May I suggest a pictoral documentation of the angels you have in one thread. It would not require much typing; just a latin name, common name, and picture. Maybe even include full tanks shots of the different tanks the angels are in. Your collection has become inspiration for my own fish keeping.
Sanjay
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11722526#post11722526 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Maximus
How did I miss this thread? Does your "mystery" pair start with the letter "D"?
Yeah.. Dead !!
Sorry, could not resist it. Too bad, such a rare couple of fish. I know you would have cherished them.
sanjay.
Vili_Shark
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John,
That's just shocking, what happened to the debelius?
The fish arrived alive?
Symptoms?
Im sure you've asked and checked, what did you come up with as the cause of death?
The fish that is pictured on the above pic looks very pale,compare to a healthy debelius.
The last couple of years no debelius have been collected.
In the pic of the pair from Frank's web site, the one of the left does not look like a debelius to me, and not just to me.
That's just shocking, what happened to the debelius?
The fish arrived alive?
Symptoms?
Im sure you've asked and checked, what did you come up with as the cause of death?
The fish that is pictured on the above pic looks very pale,compare to a healthy debelius.
The last couple of years no debelius have been collected.
In the pic of the pair from Frank's web site, the one of the left does not look like a debelius to me, and not just to me.
copps
Premium Member
Thank you Tremelle. I'm finally getting a digital SLR camera within two weeks. I am behind on getting photos of the systems, and respectable photos of my fish. I'll do that...
Go eat an XM! Just for that, I'm telling everyone I know to ask your favorite question after your talks... "So what's THE BEST bulb?"
(For those that are wondering... Sanjay's another friend of years I'm pulling to the dark side... he got one of the pairs of jocs... )Looking into it, I think something happened with their swim bladders in transit possibly with the pressurization on the plane... or maybe brain damage from a dropped box... The fish were very agitated when they arrived and showed symptoms of swim bladder issues, swimming with their tail down (as in the photo) trying to keep themselves up. Their color was pale also as a result of stress I'm sure... I've received many fish from Hawaii via air freight with no issues... I knew the fish were done when I got them... very sad... I knew the fish were healthy from Frank... saw them with my own two eyes and had the shipping date lined up for weeks... so unfortunate...
The pair you see pictured (which is the pair I received) are captive raised debelius. For whatever reason, Frank found the females of the two pairs he kept to develop the color you see. When they were small the colors were normal. As they grew the colors you see developed. It's almost similar to some of the wild interrupta you see after a while in captivity as they turn more orange... Frank also found this with ALL of the Centropyge multicolor as they grew. They looked normal color when small (pics on his website), but the adults developed almost a fully xanthic coloration... this is a photo of one of the from my friend Treg that got one if them... just amazing!
Frank just completed a paper he wrote on Centropyge debelius for his PhD. When it's published I'll give a heads up... All of the other captive raised Centropyge I have from Frank have their wild colors... C. flavissima, C. interrupta, C. resplendens, and C. joculator.
Copps
Sanjay
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11743160#post11743160 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by copps
(For those that are wondering... Sanjay's another friend of years I'm pulling to the dark side... he got one of the pairs of jocs...
You should not have pulled me to the dark side. Now look what I ended up with
You are a very bad influence :lol Made me cash in all the bonus points I had accumulated with my wife.
sanjay.
