Another "Get off my lawn" moment from the washed-up: ULNS??

[honkit]

ridiculous! Heed your own advice.

Your point being?

 

[honkit]

You mean like the post you just made? This thread has the real possibility to help others learn at least something about the Zeo system, that is if people can resist the urge to turn it into something else.

I believe there are already several threads on ULNS and zeovit methods.

Judging from the TS's postings, I very much doubt if it's about exploring learning possibilities.

 

[sirreal63]

So you don't have anything constructive to add?

 

[honkit]

So you don't have anything constructive to add?

I certainly do but not in this thread.

Have fun.

 

[DgenR8]

Let's not make the Admin delete posts and slap wrists.

 

[galleon]

You mean like the post you just made? This thread has the real possibility to help others learn at least something about the Zeo system, that is if people can resist the urge to turn it into something else.

Thanks. This is not a trolling thread, as I stated in my first post. The blue light thread CLEARLY was, and I admitted that.

 

[sirreal63]

Agreed.

Allmost and Karse...please don't stop posting up information, I like to read and though I will probably never try Zeo, it would be nice to get more wisdom from those that actually use it.

 

[galleon]

So a lot of the ULNS system I see, some of the more Easter egg ones, the corals don't look healthy. Bleached and starved. And that you bleach them on purpose with zeo? Bleaching corals makes absolutely no sense for me whatsoever.

Karsseboom, please reread this post. I am referring to SOME of the "ULNS" (cringe, such a misnomer) systems, not all.

That said, bleaching corals on purpose makes no sense to me. Still.

 

[jazzman7838]

You think so?

Well, yes. I'm not colorblind and the sand is certainly not close to white in any of those photos.

 

[karsseboom]

Well, yes. I'm not colorblind and the sand is certainly not close to white in any of those photos.

You must be new at taking pictures of reef tanks. The sand will always be a little off when taking pictures of blue lighting. The guy is running 22 T5 BLUBS OVER that tank. With a trained eye you can clearly see the colors through the lighting. I have been taking pictures of my tanks over the years and know excalty what to look for. You can't bring out colors that are not there no matter how you adjust the spectrum after, a brown coral will still be a brown coral. Thats why no one here is questioning the tank but you, we have seen hundreds of systems on this board to know when somthing is not really there.

The guy has tabling acros that are 25 inches across. Your really think with growth and maturity like that they are brown some how? Did you see the picture I posted?

How long have you been keeping sps? Most people on this site have seen all the amazing zeovit tanks, and there are hundreds of examples...There is an entire forum dedicated just to zeovit. Just look through the other thread with cunareefer and v1 rotate. Are those somehow altered?

Zeovit is not somthing new here, its been around since 2004. Pepole are not questioning the methods. They just choose to have a system that fits the needs better. zeovit is not for everyone.


here are some more: you can clearly see the colors with no artificial ligthing. Take your sps out of the water and see if they look that good?





Here is a picture os the tank when it was first started: You can see the corals were brown, yet the lighting was stilll the same.





Are you going to tell me this was so altered that this can't be true?

 

[galleon]

The sand will always be a little off when taking pictures of blue lighting.

1) More than a little in this case. 2) This means the coral colors in the tank photograph are also wrong.

The guy is running 22 T5 BLUBS OVER that tank.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

This is 6 x 39 t5 bulbs. Notice that everything looks the color it would be in real life:

With a trained eye you can clearly see the colors through the lighting.

What's wrong with actually seeing the real colors... period?

You can't bring out colors that are not there no matter how you adjust the spectrum after, a brown coral will still be a brown coral.

This is a complete crock, and anyone who has grown corals under 6500-10000k bulbs knows it. Browned out corals can look completely different depending on lighting.

Thats why no one here is questioning the tank but you,

You can add me to that list. ESPECIALLY after the bucket/tub photos.

we have seen hundreds of systems on this board to know when somthing is not really there.

The former statement is not causative for the latter claimed ability.

The guy has tabling acros that are 25 inches across. Your really think with growth and maturity like that they are brown some how?

Sure. Seen thousands of them in the wild. Entire monospecific fields.

here are some more: you can clearly see the colors with no artificial ligthing. Take your sps out of the water and see if they look that good?

Completely brown with the stag having some blue tips? Nothing special at all there. First bucket is even more brown. Bad photos. Photograph them under 5500-6500k with a high color rendering index, then we'll talk.

 

[galleon]

 

[jazzman7838]

The guy is running 22 T5 BLUBS OVER that tank.

That's my point. Point enough blue light at anything and it will appear blue. Like white sand for instance. The photos from the bucket demonstrate pretty clearly that the corals are not actually as vivid as they appear in the tank photos.

The guy has tabling acros that are 25 inches across. Your really think with growth and maturity like that they are brown some how? Did you see the picture I posted?

I didn't say they were brown. But large mature colonies of Acropora can certainly be brown. This example plus a million other examples on coral reefs everywhere:

 

[jazzman7838]

Perfect. This is much closer to what I would expect these corals to look like under natural light.

This is a staggeringly beautiful reef tank, but it doesn't look substantially different to me than well maintained tanks that don't use the Zeovit method. I guess what I (and others) are looking for is justification for the method if the results are equivalent.

 

[franklypre]

ULNS is an idea, zeo is a method, I used the Blu coral method for a while, I've tried Berlin too. I have a simple understanding of zeo and have used some of the additives in the past, they work OK. Elos works well, Seachem Fuel works well, but none of this is going to make up for what good ole Blue lights can do for you. If you run a 6500k bulb you can get good colors but never the look of a 20k or overly blue tank. It's like comparing a regular old lightbulb to a blacklight or actinic, it changes the appearance or what your eye sees. Ifigure the lighter colored(poisoned if you must) coral are more easily influenced/enhanced by the choice of lighting. Examples are endless but simply put get a neon colored object and put it under actinic lighting vs CFL or sunlight, you know the difference. Is it the natural color no, but can a box full of water really be natural in any aspect when compared to the vast ocean?

 

[Gary Majchrzak]

ULNS is an idea, zeo is a method, I used the Blu coral method for a while, I've tried Berlin too. I have a simple understanding of zeo and have used some of the additives in the past, they work OK. Elos works well, Seachem Fuel works well, but none of this is going to make up for what good ole Blue lights can do for you. If you run a 6500k bulb you can get good colors but never the look of a 20k or overly blue tank. It's like comparing a regular old lightbulb to a blacklight or actinic, it changes the appearance or what your eye sees. Ifigure the lighter colored(poisoned if you must) coral are more easily influenced/enhanced by the choice of lighting. Examples are endless but simply put get a neon colored object and put it under actinic lighting vs CFL or sunlight, you know the difference. Is it the natural color no, but can a box full of water really be natural in any aspect when compared to the vast ocean?

good post. This goes right back to the OP's original question at the top of the thread.

We each have our own personal preferences and it's good to be able to communicate without flaming one another for them!

 

[karsseboom]

1) More than a little in this case. 2) This means the coral colors in the tank photograph are also wrong.



What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

This is 6 x 39 t5 bulbs. Notice that everything looks the color it would be in real life:





What's wrong with actually seeing the real colors... period?



This is a complete crock, and anyone who has grown corals under 6500-10000k bulbs knows it. Browned out corals can look completely different depending on lighting.



You can add me to that list. ESPECIALLY after the bucket/tub photos.



The former statement is not causative for the latter claimed ability.



Sure. Seen thousands of them in the wild. Entire monospecific fields.



Completely brown with the stag having some blue tips? Nothing special at all there. First bucket is even more brown. Bad photos. Photograph them under 5500-6500k with a high color rendering index, then we'll talk.

Dude you can take any coral on this forum and yank it out of the tank and it will not look anything close to what appears under the tank lighting. Putting corals under 5-6k would even be different then actually taking them out of the water. With the photo adjustment you made those corals are still simply stunning. That is more then a lot of people on this forum can say.

For example you could take your own advice and place your Sps under blue lighting they will still be brown.

 

[galleon]

Perfect. This is much closer to what I would expect these corals to look like under natural light.

This is a staggeringly beautiful reef tank, but it doesn't look substantially different to me than well maintained tanks that don't use the Zeovit method. I guess what I (and others) are looking for is justification for the method if the results are equivalent.

You hit the nail on the head.

 

[karsseboom]

Here some more...show me tanks without zeovit that have colors more glowing and vibrant. Galleon? Maybe add some of yours?

 

[karsseboom]