Another "Get off my lawn" moment from the washed-up: ULNS??
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MammothReefer
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Because it's not transparent and we've been sold a lot of snake oil the past so some people are skeptical.
jazzman7838
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^^^I think that is a pretty reasonable explanation.
The argument along the lines of "we don't know how it works, it just does, just look at the tanks of the people who use it" is used to sell Air Jordans and magnetic necklaces too. And a fair number of products in the aquarium industry, for that matter.
The argument along the lines of "we don't know how it works, it just does, just look at the tanks of the people who use it" is used to sell Air Jordans and magnetic necklaces too. And a fair number of products in the aquarium industry, for that matter.
karsseboom
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Please stop with the "we don't know what's in it" argument. Do you know what a carbon source is? Do your what a microorganisms are? That is the bases for the system. What more do you need to know? Those things mentioned are al ready proven to work at helping lowering po4 and no3 is aquariums.
jazzman7838
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Well, saying something is a "carbon source" or a "microorganism" is a fairly vague definition. Gasoline is a carbon source. E. coli is a microorganism. Can you be more specific? Not to mention the mysterious zeolite stones...
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karsseboom
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Zeostart3 is vinegar mixed with something else but the main active ingredient is vinegar.
Zeobak is microorganisms/bacteria that help reduce no3 and po4. Can I name each and every organisim? No
Zeolite are stones that harbor the bacteria we dose.
That's it, no mystery here...
It's a complete system that's lower both no3 and po4.
Zeobak is microorganisms/bacteria that help reduce no3 and po4. Can I name each and every organisim? No
Zeolite are stones that harbor the bacteria we dose.
That's it, no mystery here...
It's a complete system that's lower both no3 and po4.
karsseboom
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There are so many things in this hobby that we have no idea what the ingredients are, yet we all dose them anyway. People don't like zeovit because of the stigma that goes along with it.
Huh? What stigma is that? Your defensiveness in this thread has reached ludicrous speed multiple times. This seems pretty typical of zeo-thumpers: if there's any stigma with the method, it's folks like you that have their ego tied up in it.
I don't put anything in my tank without full ingredients listed. Instant Ocean, B-Ionic, food-grade vinegar, food grade Ca(OH)2, RO/DI water, APBreed TDO...
I wouldn't assume that serious reefers and aquarists don't do the same, if I were you.
karsseboom
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My defensiveness? Galleon I can remember all the crazy out of line things you have posted on this board and start a while new thread.
You started this thread just to create controversy. What you don't think we have enough threads about zeovit and there skeptics? You couldn't have just use your tired little fingers and type a google search? Maybe the zeovit forum?
I wasn't even refereeing to every reefer dosing things without knowing the exact ingredients, I was saying a LOT of reefers do.
jazzman7838
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Okay, so anybody with vinegar, a bacteria source, and stones that harbor bacteria could reproduce the same results in their tank, right?
Because earlier in the thread you stated the following about tanks that do exactly that:
So clearly you believe there is some component of the Zeovit system that sets those tanks apart from others. What is it?
jazzman7838
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We all? Not true.
agreed, but it has been around for 10ish years now, although you may not know whats in it you know it works. :thumbsup:
karsseboom
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Yes that is the basic four. The system really lowers nutrients very well, maybe to good at times. The other additives are for color tweaking.
karsseboom
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Post a picture of what's working for your system and list all the ingredients that are in everything.
jazzman7838
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Okay, so what's the difference between doing that and doing Zeovit?
karsseboom
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There's not a while lot different. It's more of a complete system, bio pellets require the use of gfo, Basic carbon dosing still require the use of gfo. Also with basic carbon dosing you still sometimes need to add elements that are depleted. Zeovit is a whole system that lowes both no3 and po4 very effectively and then there is additives to help replace what's being exhausted.
Zeovit is just means to help keep lower nutrient environment. People make it out to be the secrect system that magically transforms colors. I don't look at it like that. I used to run bio pellets and always had po4 still so I now use zeovit and I don't have to use anything else but the basic four.
That's what mean when I say stigma. People feel zeovit is some secrect community and when left out feel the need to criticize. They see the success but hate on it cause they aren't sure about it.
ormet
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I find this interesting and i have thought about this when researching for my ZEOvit project this fall.
If this is true, cant you just use siporax or some other porous filter media in your reactor? Also, why would you need to exchange the stones every 6 weeks?
I do not agree. GFO is just one way to get around N limited carbon dosed tanks. But it might be that we have different views on "basic".
jazzman7838
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So I feel like that was a lot of words that didn't address my question. You said it's "more of a complete system" but that doesn't really mean anything. What component(s) cause the substantial difference that you claim to see in Zeovit tanks?
jazzman7838
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Magnetic bracelets and necklaces have been around a lot longer than that.
NeilFox
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So this is a fairly basic formula? Strip the nutrients and reintroduce them. I am not trying to be smart, I would like to know the mechanism? There appears to be some really good results with this! I have been taken out of context here at times; I offer my appologies but I would really like to understand more.
Thanks and regards
Neil
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