Another option for red bugs

[110galreef]

ok,

This all sound right:

Bayer Advanced Home pest and Germ Killer
:
Kills about everything AEFW & Red Bugs, etc...
4ml / 500ml (~2c+)
8ml / 1l (~4.25c)
16ml / 2l (8.5c)
dipped for 15 mins



Bayer Advanced Complete Insect killer ....Concentrate for lawn & turf
10ml / 120ml (~1/2c)
20ml/ 250ml (~1c)
40ml / 500ml (~2c+)
80ml / 1l (~4.25c)
160ml / 2l (~8.5c)
dipped for 5 mins


Sounds like the Home Pest Killer is the way to go? Less needed and possibly more effective?

 

[ROR]

Not sure why you would need more of the Complete Insect Killer since it contains way more of the insecticide B-Cyfluthrin than Home Pest Plus Germ Killer

Is everyone shaking the Complete Insect Killer bottle well before dispensing? I find that it really settles out. Maybe Home Pest doesn't settle as much?

I accidentally didn't shake before my first test at 10ml per liter for 10 min, and the coral wasn't effected at all. After I shook the bottle vigorously and used the same amount the corals were most definitely in distress. I'm going to 5ml per liter next time.

 

[data_loss]

I'll be giving this a try soon. I will be battling monti eating nudibranchs. Will post results. Thanks for all the documentation everyone. Thanks for starting the thread Whisperer.

 

[dotcommer]

Great thread, good info.

 

[M88A2]

well, I suspect I also contracted AEFW on top of red bugs from a local frag... Going to start up a long (6+ weeks) of Bayer dip. Most corals are frags still but have 4 that are fairly well encrusted so i will be ripping out what i can and puttying over what is left behind....I'll try to document what im doing starting tomorrow.

 

[M88A2]

forgot to ask, has anyone dipped an echinata acro yet?

 

[tektite]

I have, Hawkins blue. 10 ml/cup Bayer's complete for ~3 min. No problems at all.

 

[FF337]

Hawkins, jacqulina, and ice fire all for 10-15 minutes at higher rates than listed. All survived but took a week to color up.

 

[M88A2]

Well I dipped all my frags with the exception of the 2 mille's and 2 birdsnest. I was told that AEFW and red bugs dont attack birdsnest and mille's so i let them be. If anyone knows for sure that they do, please let me know so I can add them to the treatment group. I used the method identical to Flamron. 10ml/.5cup dipped for 5min. I swished it around the last few seconds and let it sit in a clean cup of salt water for another 5min before placing back into the display tank.

Here is a list of what I dipped and any side notes:

ORA Red Planet: this is the one I believed had AEFW. I off the rock and puttied the remaining encrusted coral along with puttying the bottom of the frag for egg containment. PE used to be great. not now it is almost non existent and remained so after the dip.
Garf Bonsai: visible redbugs
Green Gemmifera: no visible infestation
Unknown acro: had redbugs. bleeched from a previous treatment of 20ml/.5cup but doesnt appear to have further stressing from today's dip. colors are slowly comming back
Unknown maricultured smoothskin frag: had red bugs. one of the suspected originial carriers
tricolor acro had red bugs. other suspected original carrier. polyps are now out from a previous bayer dip. coloring up
ORA pearlberry: new frag. saw what i thought was AEFW on it at night, probably one that was already in the tank. Accidentally dipped for 8min, but no apparent damage. polyps were out after 30min
ORA borealis
Ice blue echinata
ORA Ice tort
Rainbow Nasuta
Shades of fall Acro
bubblegum mille
Tub's pink jade? sold to me as pink jade but still coloring up. seems to be a light blue right now

BTW, i used Bayer Advanced Complete Insect Killer

 

[coralreefdoc]

Not sure why you would need more of the Complete Insect Killer since it contains way more of the insecticide B-Cyfluthrin than Home Pest Plus Germ Killer

Is everyone shaking the Complete Insect Killer bottle well before dispensing? I find that it really settles out. Maybe Home Pest doesn't settle as much?

I accidentally didn't shake before my first test at 10ml per liter for 10 min, and the coral wasn't effected at all. After I shook the bottle vigorously and used the same amount the corals were most definitely in distress. I'm going to 5ml per liter next time.

Whats everyone's thought process in thinking/assuming that B-Cyfluthrin is the active ingredient which produces the positive results in the "paralysis"/eventual death of the RB/AEFW, thereby rendering them motionless, facilitating their removal ?

 

[coralreefdoc]

Imidacloprid, the active ingredient that IMO produces the aforementioned results, is a selective neurotoxin which directly acts on the Central Nervous System of insects via contact. It systematically causes an irreversible blockage in the neuronal pathway, leading to the accumulation of neurotransmitters, directly resulting in paralysis/eventual death of the specimen(s) ...

* Imidacloprid has a half-life of 1-3hrs when in the presence of light, so utilize the solution/dip in a timely fashion or keep it in the dark.

Hope that helps everyone utilizing this legitimate/innovative Acropora species coral dip ... Be sure to reach out and thank Whisperer if you are one of the ones who do !

 

[tektite]

I was told that AEFW and red bugs dont attack birdsnest and mille's so i let them be. If anyone knows for sure that they do, please let me know so I can add them to the treatment group.

Millepora are a type of acropora, AEFW do attack them too.

 

[SPotter]

I am about to try the bayer dip and was reading on another site where several of the members experienced issues with their livestock after replacing the dipped corals back into the tank. A few people reported blindness in some of their fish and other reported death. Now I know you need to rinse thoroughly in clean saltwater and I am guessing that these people did not, but has anyone else on here experienced anything like this?

 

[M88A2]

do you know the volume of water their system had? Some of the earlier post on this thread said they put frags back in without rinsing and had no problems. I prefer to take the extra precaution and rinse. I do the dipping just before I do a water change and run carbon regularly so I think it helps.

 

[tmz]

It seems to be cyfluthrin ,at least for the red bugs , since it is present in both types of Bayer insecticide used. There isn't any imidochloporid in the House Pest version ,IIRC, used by many in this thread
Cyflurthrin is highly toxic to fish and invertebrates in trace amounts as it is a pyrethroid derivative . Pyrethoids can be very toxic in very small amounts(parts per trillion) . The good news for gardener's is that they breakdown relatively quickly in light and air ,so goundwater contamination is not an issue. However, whether they breakdown in salt water or fresh water is unclear to me. Thorough rinsing soaking seems prudent if you choose to use them.

 

[SPotter]

I dont remember what the water volumes were and thought it was really strange that a few of them all commented on having the same problems with their livestock after doing the dips. I immediately thought that they didn't rinse the corals well enough before putting them back in.

 

[M88A2]

Millepora are a type of acropora, AEFW do attack them too.

That totally sucks. now i have to rip out my mille frags that have all encrusted and start completely from scratch...

 

[cediss]

Great job summarizing the thread Northside Reef and 110galreef!

I have also used Melafix as an effective dip to remove/kill redbugs and AEFW and Montipora eating nudibranchs. Originally read on Steve Garrett's website and have since used to clear off these pests. I dose about 5mL melafix per 1,000ml of the dip water (taken out of the tank). I swirl the solution for 10-15 minutes and use magnifying glass to see that all visible pests have come off frags. Then quick SW rinse and into tank again. Polyps come back out within 30-60 minutes.
This treatment does also kill crabs, starfish and pods, see use caution.

 

[cediss]

Great job summarizing the thread Northside Reef and 110galreef!

I have also used Melafix as an effective dip to remove/kill redbugs and AEFW and Montipora eating nudibranchs. Originally read on Steve Garrett's website and have since used to clear off these pests. I dose about 5mL melafix per 1,000ml of the dip water (taken out of the tank). I swirl the solution for 10-15 minutes and use magnifying glass to see that all visible pests have come off frags. Then quick SW rinse and into tank again. Polyps come back out within 30-60 minutes.
This treatment does also kill crabs, starfish and pods, see use caution.

 

[data_loss]

I have completed a couple of tests using Bayer to dip for Montipora eating Nudibranchs. Both tests proved unsuccessful.

The pests...

Test 1
A small bowl with 250ml of tank water, 6 nudies, and a small frag. Mixed in 2ml of the Bayer Advanced Home Pest plus Germ Killer. Let all stay in dip for 20 minutes during which I noticed only minor agitation at best. Moved nudis to a fresh container of tank water after the 20 minute dip and watched them all actively crawl around looking for something to eat.

Test 2
Added 20ml of Bayer Advanced Complete Insect Killer to 250ml of tank water, this time only two Nudibranchs, they are harder to find in the light of day.

The water is so cloudy you can't see anything during the dip.

Swirled dip around for 5 minutes. Removed Nudis to clean tank water. Took this video a bit later.



Really bummed these dips didn't work.

Not sure what to do next.